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What is a Cat D4D worth??

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John in Ct

07-19-2007 15:16:09




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I was wondering, what is a very clean Cat D4D worth? 1967, Direct electric start, soft top canopy, 4S with tilt( blade not dented), good pads and pins ( should be turned in 100 hr), very slight leak in one blade lift cylinder), 800 hr on complete rebuild 25 years ago, always garaged when not in use last 20+ years , always maintained with Cat parts? Thanks!!




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TomA

07-22-2007 15:33:35




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 Re: What is a Cat D4D worth?? in reply to John in Ct, 07-19-2007 15:16:09  
If it needs the pins and bushings turned you better figure the cost of that work into the price.



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Old Magnet

07-19-2007 20:52:35




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 Re: What is a Cat D4D worth?? in reply to John in Ct, 07-19-2007 15:16:09  
What model is it. There were lots of D4D models in 1967 including the 20J, 78A & 22C series for US production.
All these would have the "not so great" D330A engine.
The early D4D's were constantly being upgraded, particularly the 78A series which had their share of design problems.



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Billy NY

07-19-2007 18:58:55




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 Re: What is a Cat D4D worth?? in reply to John in Ct, 07-19-2007 15:16:09  
OK 2x I lost my post, screen changed and it's gone WTF ? Ok, back to business here for the 3rd time....

Sounds like a good one to take a look at, if it checks out to be in good shape, it could be worth top dollar for that era D4. Link attached for similar D4's up for sale, but the prices mean nothing, it's what your willing to pay for a tractor that should be close to field ready condition with a decent undercarriage, something you know you will get satisfactory hours of performance from. No gaurantee and it's smart to really check any type of crawler out thoroughly, you may be surprised at what you may find, contrary to what a seller describes.

You really should measure the undercarriage, check the sprockets and make sure they are tight on the dead axle, dip a magnet into the final case check for metal chunks or heavy concentration of metal particulates, make sure the motor is in good operating condition same with drive train, is it direct drive or powershift ? Run it for a few hours or demo it if at all possible, see what's what when it's up to operating temperature. Check fluid condition all around, coolant, oils etc. Look for cracks on the track frames or poor weld repairs etc. You may already know this, but they seem to bring a good dollar still, so best to really check it out first, hopefully it is as advertised, always liked that series, not aware of any model specific issues for those, maybe some one else has better knowledge on them mechanically.

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John in Ct

07-20-2007 06:29:29




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 Re: What is a Cat D4D worth?? in reply to Billy NY, 07-19-2007 18:58:55  
It is a 78A, Direct Drive. It just needs 2 new batteries to be job ready. There are no micky mouse welds. Tight sprockets, good Bottom, blade refaced properly, not dented.. I know the machine and have used it many times ( digging, grading, stumping, clearing, pushing), no metal chunks in the oil ( was there when oil was changed). Thanks!!



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Billy NY

07-20-2007 06:58:59




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 Re: What is a Cat D4D worth?? in reply to John in Ct, 07-20-2007 06:29:29  
It's good that you have operated it previously, probably would have noticed any serious problems by now, although not for me to say in regards to the model, and the scant few times I've been on one these, have spent lots of time on similar era 5's and 6's, I liked the size of the 4, but without having much knowledge on it's design specifics.

I have seen people spend ridiculous money on worn out tractors, that if they did check out thoroughly before making the deal, they might have walked away, hence my advice to check them out thoroughly and get information like what O.M. mentioned about the 78A series. Good to collaborate with someone who knows them well like a heavy equipment mechanic who has worked on them when possible.

Direct drive with oil bath type clutch, thought those were in the bullet proof category, if you are trying to make an offer, and need to come up with a decent figure see what others of the same years, condition, and serial numbers are listing for in as many places you can find them for sale and in the reference books for resale values.

It's hard to comment on a realistic price, without seeing and looking over the tractor in my opinion. Look at machinery trader with a grain of salt as privately held equipment like this can be worth a lot less to someone and or some of the asking prices for the real older tractors listed there appear to be ridiculous for the condition they are in.

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