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Motor Scrapers (Pans)

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Davis In SC

08-11-2007 08:22:13




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Are Motor Scrapers almost obsolete, now? There is a lot of construction going on here, and all I see are JD wheel tractors pulling 1 or 2 tow-type pans.. I guess they can buy 3 or more of those combos for the cost of a Cat motor scraper.. Just an observation...




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JDknut

08-13-2007 09:15:04




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 Re: Motor Scrapers (Pans) in reply to Davis In SC, 08-11-2007 08:22:13  
Its back to the future. Towed scrapers were the first, towed with crawlers, then motor scrapers came in with the Le Tourneau and Cats, now with the advent of the large four wheel drive farm tractor it is back to the towed pans. "Roads and Bridges" magazine ran an article on this phenomenon a few years ago. It is mainly about costs. when you have a relatively shallow cut in relatively easy soils over long distances, the farm tractors and towed pans are a lot cheaper per yard moved than the classic bellypans.

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Billy NY

08-13-2007 07:31:55




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 Re: Motor Scrapers (Pans) in reply to Davis In SC, 08-11-2007 08:22:13  
It's actually amazing how long towed and motor scrapers have been used for mass excavation projects.

I'd agree, conditions and or economics will dictacte a contractors choice of equipment, as production is key to it all. The cost to move a cubic yard most efficiently is the bottom line, that and soil conditions.

My experience with them is limited, worked for 2 outfits pushing 627's and TS-14's with D8K's. Have run a few elevating ones too. Even from the seat, you can see it's all about the cubic yard moved, how fast and how much it costs to do same.


Large outfit here in the U.S. McAninch uses towed scrapers behind D-11's, believe they also custom build and or fit those to the tractors. R Billings in the UK also uses towed scrapers behind D8K's, but soil conditions, overall yards to be moved, combined with cycle time efficiency and economics, must still make scrapers a logical choice for some jobs. Chief estimator for these big firms would be a good place to get the facts on using scrapers today.

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bill leyba

08-12-2007 16:35:21




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 Re: Motor Scrapers (Pans) in reply to Davis In SC, 08-11-2007 08:22:13  
We run 631's,at 36 mph tops you can move a lot fast. Pushed with a 9g dozer we get 40 yards loaded fast.Most scrapers are heavy duty to last a long time with high production hours.



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637 627CAT

08-11-2007 13:43:02




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 Re: Motor Scrapers (Pans) in reply to Davis In SC, 08-11-2007 08:22:13  
To me there's nothing like a 637 cat, I've been told by many that the tractor pull/pan setup is much better on fuel consumption. The 637's did use alot of fuel,but didn't need any support equipment to follow them around. I'm too old now, but still miss running those. Just an opinion,Thanks.



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Roy Suomi

08-11-2007 09:10:57




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 Re: Motor Scrapers (Pans) in reply to Davis In SC, 08-11-2007 08:22:13  
Pans are not obsolete by any means..It all depends on conditions..Personal preferences have a lot to do with the decision to pan or to truck dirt on jobsite..Self loaders [ 1 man operation ] compared to having a dozer push a TS 14 around [ 2 men , 2 machines ]..Compared to 1 man in a haul truck and another in an excavator loading trucks...Excavator loading trucks all day is going to be more cost efficient than panning..Less wear and tear to drivelines and ground engaging attachments..As far as tractor pulled pans , I would think that capacity is less with this combination..Usually , pans will haul 8-10 yards , trucks slightly more depending on size..And the tractor pulled pans 8 yards or less.. I've run several pans in my day...TS 14's ,Deere 5010 , Deere 762 , Deere 862..Of all the pans I have operated , I like the Deere 862-B because of ride/comfort..However I did not like the electronic rocker switch controls for the bowl functions..Manual controls would have made that machine much more operator friendly..My 2 cents worth..

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135 Fan

08-11-2007 09:08:34




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 Re: Motor Scrapers (Pans) in reply to Davis In SC, 08-11-2007 08:22:13  
I'm up in Edmonton and Sureway construction is up here. They apparently have the largest scraper fleet in North America with 40 Cat 657 scrapers and 35 627 scrapers. In all they have over 300 pieces of heavy equipment. I've seen some big pull type scrapers but on a longer haul they would be very slow. I think motor scrapers travel at about 40 MPH. Dave



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