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Need a dozer for light duty

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BobinKY

09-04-2007 18:54:02




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I have 100 acres with plans to acquire more in the near future. I have lots of timber on the property but the property is so rough that I cannot get the timber out with my four-wheel drive Kubota tractor or my four-wheelers. I am thinking about purchasing a small dozer to clear basically small cedar timber, push trails through the woods and drag out cut timber. I have read that the gas dozers are lower maintenance and parts are cheaper and more readily available. I really don't want to spend over $10,000 on the machine. Does anyone have suggestions for which machine would fit my bill, gas vs diesel, age of the machine, loader vs dozer and a good source to begin shopping. I have one neighbor with a 350 loader and he is uncomfortable pushing over trees. He is great in a brushpile and we have used it to bury an old barn. I have another neighbor who has a very old Dresser dozer similar in size to the 350. It only runs occassionally and he spends a lot of money on it every time he uses it. Seems like that thing leaks hydraulic fluid from every crack and crevis. Any help would be appreciated.

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Old Red

09-17-2007 18:30:13




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
Diesel is the better choice by FAR. If you'd like to take a look at really nice cite for finding equipment take a look at www.machinerytrader.com then click dozers. From there you can narrow it down by brand, and then if you want to choose a model you can, or if you want to see everything and choose a price range you can just scroll to the botton of the list of machines and type your highest price in as $10,000 and lowest price as 1$ (1$ minimum helps eliminate new machines where price is listed as "Call")I looked myself and found a number of dozers that would fit your needs, and on that same site you can find crawler loaders aswell if that is what you decide you want.

I would also stray away from anything that has a pony motor on it because those tend to complicate things a lot.

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Wideload

09-10-2007 06:03:50




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
There is a Case 1150B loader in the photo ads in that price range.



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kyhayman

09-06-2007 20:44:17




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
I've looked and looked around here in the price range you are talking. What I've found are D21 Komatsu's which are just a tad small, some 350's, a few 450 Case's with the undercarriage shot, and a few old TD 12 Dressers. Kentucky, I guess due to location is a high dollar dozer place. Put another $5000 with it and a lot of decent, later model TD 7's and 8's come up, some good 450 Cases and Deere's and a few TD15's. For an old, big machine to set on one farm and leave, I'd sure look long and hard at a TD15. I almost bought a TD15B in pretty fair shape for $12000 and looked at a couple of nice TD15C's that 'I think' 15000 cash would have gotten. I ended up with a 450C Deere, we've got 3 different farms here that we actively farm spread over an 8 mile area and then other stuff 150 miles west. Transportation was an issue and a 6 way blade and 15000 pounds less weight makes a difference.

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eric1

09-06-2007 19:56:46




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
If you have 100 acres and plan on getting more in the future, than I would get the biggest machine you can get for your money. That's a LOT of land to work, and the smaller the machine the harder you're gonna have to work it (and yourself). I'd go with a 70hp and up dozer or loader. Something in the 8-9 ton and up category. You can do a lot more with a loader especially with a 4-1 bucket than you can with a dozer. On the other hand if you're on steep slopes and muddy ground alot, you would probably be better off with a dozer. Loaders tend to be heavier and are easier to get stuck in the mud. They usually have lower profile grousers (i.e. track cleats) than dozers do, which limits their traction in mud. They're also more top heavy and not as stable running along the sides of steep hill sides (generally). Otherwise a loader with 4-1 bucket wins hands down.

As far as whether or not you need to push trees over, a loader would be better for that - although you can get tree pusher bars for dozers too. But do you really need to push the trees over? That uproots the stump leaving an ugly hole to fill and a stump to burn later. If you don't need to remove the stump, then you're probably better off just cutting the tree down, leaving the stump to rot and towing the log out using the crawler/winch. If you do need to remove the stumps, then the loader would be much better for that than a dozer (although a backhoe would be ideal).

As far as desirable features for logging - make sure you have a solid tree cage minimum and preferably a ROPS with sweeps. Also a winch would be really good to have, it can retrieve trees that are hard to get to and also get you out of mudholes when and if that ever happens (and if you use it long enough it WILL happen!). Or at least a 3 point hitch on the back to pick the ends of the logs up which makes them much easier to tow.

As far as what brand - all the major manufacturers made good machines. Dresser made good machines that used to be IH (now called Dressta). There's nothing wrong with them, if the one you see that's breaking down all the time is like that, it's almost certainly from either abuse and/or poor maintenance and/or it's just plain wore out. Likewise the reason the Deere is looking so good in comparison is because that same situation hasn't existed throughout its life (although the Deeres are good machines too). For your relatively meager $10K budget, I'd stick with something like an old 1960's-70's IH (TD9 or bigger), Allis Chalmers (HD4 or bigger), or maybe a bigger old Cat from the 50's. If you stick with these older machines, especially in the case of IH and AC, you're definitely going to get a lot more bang for your buck - a bigger machine that can do more work, faster and more easily. And since the machine will not be worked as hard, it will be much less likely to break down on you. You will not regret having a bigger machine as opposed to a smaller machine working all those acres. Especially if you're working all by yourself, or maybe with only a helper or two. Size matters, don't settle for a lil ole 350!

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bent1

09-06-2007 04:36:36




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
For $10k you can pick up an earlt 90s 40 horse, 9500 pound Mitsubishi Bd2G. I did and will never regret it. Sounds like a good fit. Inspect the undercarrige before the purchase.



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BobinKY

09-06-2007 10:28:53




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to bent1, 09-06-2007 04:36:36  
With a handle of Bent1, I guess I do not have to ask you about the versatility of the Mitsubishi machine. Just kidding. Thanks for the reply.



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Billy NY

09-05-2007 09:13:36




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
Definitely think about something with roll over protection structure R.O.P.S. and a seat belt if you have hills and will work in the woods.



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VaTom

09-05-2007 05:29:00




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
Bob, my land is similar except for the trees. My hardwoods go 80' typically. I did a huge amount of work with a Cat 933 trackloader (8 tons), did everything I asked of it. With older machines you can and probably will get into interesting parts situations occasionally.

I've gone to industrial rubbertire loaders. Love my Cat 944 (11.5 tons, not articulated). You'll tear up that Kubota doing serious loader work, front end isn't designed for it. Industrial loaders are.

My budget's similar to yours, well under $10k. Rubber tire is cheaper here. Whichever you end up with, make sure you've got a substantial widow-maker canopy over your head. If you buy something that doesn't have one you'll have to fabricate it. Can't imagine why anyone would prefer gas, having once owned a gas Deere trackloader.

Good luck.

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Jim Presley

09-04-2007 20:52:08




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
Bob. Much has to do with how the dozer has been maintained. I've seen many old Dressers that work great, and have seen many that look, and operate....old! I have a 1958 International that works well doing just what you want to do. It was well maintained before I bought it, and I have continued that train of operation. Any 50+ HP dozer or Loader (even better) will do what you want to do if it has been taken care of. If you will need to work much on hills, many of the loaders have tracks that don't have deep grousers. I like the dozer I have since it has wide, deep track grousers which are a good thing to have on hills pulling trees etc. The diesels work very well at low lugging operation on hills, and I myself like the lower volatility of the fuel and overall less fuel usage of the diesel. Just my opinion. Take your time looking and keep asking questions about anything you see and have questions about.

Jim P

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Case450

09-04-2007 20:13:00




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
I have worked in the bush in Northern Ontario Canada for a number of years cutting timber. The ultimate in affordable timber clearing and log hauling machinery has wheels my friend. Tracked machines tear up the ground too much and make everything muddy as hell...next to poplar (trembling aspen) cedar is easiest to log, nice and light...you can pull full lenght cedar on every cable with nair a problem....unless your cutting monster tress or your kubota is a twenty horse unit i dont see much problems skidding trees.

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BobinKY

09-04-2007 19:33:53




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
Thanks for the reply Dave. For the most part the only trees I would push over would be small cedars. I can almost push them over with my Kubota 3830 but not quite. What I really need is something to drag timber out of very steep ground where I am afraid to take my tractor. I would also be pushing trails which I think would be better suited to a dozer. Where would you start to look for a dozer?

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135 Fan

09-05-2007 20:43:25




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 19:33:53  
Dealers sometimes might know where an older machine is or check used equipment dealers. Get an outside experienced mechanic to check the machine out. Do you get weekly heavy equipment traders? We have them here where people adverise their equipment for sale. dave



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john_bud

09-04-2007 20:40:40




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 19:33:53  
If the issue is getting them up a steep bank, why not buy a decent logging winch for the 3pt.

jb



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135 Fan

09-04-2007 19:21:55




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to BobinKY, 09-04-2007 18:54:02  
Diesel would probably be better. You should be able to find something like a 450 Case or JD. With $10,000 to spend you might even want to look at an older larger Cat. For clearing trees with a smaller machine a loader is better because you can lift the bucket up higher for better leverage. A loader is more versatile for other jobs as well. You have to be extremely careful pushing trees down with anything. They can fall backwards and be unpredictable. Keep in mind that a crawler can be very expensive to fix. Sometimes even stuff that seems simple. Dave

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HL PERRY

09-07-2007 10:30:52




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to 135 Fan, 09-04-2007 19:21:55  
What part of kentucky are you from.HL



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BobinKY

09-10-2007 19:52:35




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 Re: Need a dozer for light duty in reply to HL PERRY, 09-07-2007 10:30:52  
I live in Lexington but my farm is in the western part of Anderson County, almost to the Van Buren boat dock on Taylorville Lake in Nelson County.



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