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450C slow to engage

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rdsar2k

09-17-2007 08:21:14




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This is a follow up for my recient post getting alot of advice. The surge and erratic running is gone. Roosa rebuilt and it was as easy as suggested. The vent in the tank is clear and the tank has been blasted clean- tons of stuff in there. The screen for the tranny is new- the old was not clogged but the seal was off on one side.

When I first started it up it would not move when I put it in gear. It did move slightly letting me now it was engaging a little. I rev'd it up and tryed different gears with no luck only slight movement in the different ranges. I killed it and checked to be sure the fluid was still full after the recent change and it is. I did notice that the fluid was very bubbly looking like It'd been shaken up. I started it up again and put it in 2nd low and rev'd it up and waited about 3-4 minutes and it suddenly engaged. No more issues from then on. I pulled the dip stick out and listened for an air sucking noise- there was no noise or pressure there (prior to it engaging). This has happened a few times before. Same pattern. It doesn't do it every time but when it does it leaves me with a sinking feeling it may not go this time. After it engages the first time no issues until I try to start it cold the next time (maybe).
I suspect a sticking relief valve but it runs great after it engages. I would think the relief valve would cause issues while it was running. I would think the pilot needle valve but the manual says it will be slow to engage always which I take to mean not just when it's cold an it is sharp shifting after it engages the first time. I would think the pump is going but I believe these have a flooded suction.
The thing acts like it is losing it's prime after it sits and I can't see how this design with a flooded suction could (or is it not a flooded suction?) Little help or what should I try first? I hate to pull the engine and find out that it is just an o-ring or hole in a pipe that I could have checked.

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Roy Suomi

09-17-2007 15:54:27




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 Re: 450C slow to engage in reply to rdsar2k, 09-17-2007 08:21:14  
You can check it without removing the engine..I've done it..You can remove the transmission top cover to watch everything as it runs, provided you tie wrap[wire tie] the steering valve spools to the proper setting as if the linkage is still attached..You will not be able to run it for long , just short bursts..Otherwise someone will take an unintentional shower in HY-Gard from the clutch pack spinning in oil..My first choice of inspection is the 2 oil lines on the rt. side of the trans. [as if sitting on the seat]..Those lines can be serviced without teardown of transmission..There are o-rings on both ends of the steel tubes, in the case and manifold.. Then look back by the last clutch pack , that's the manifold where all the ranges and lube circuit oil passages are routed to their individual destinations..A lot of oil surging from there would indicate a leak caused by sealing rings broken or unsnapped or manifold worn out....That means work...PLEASE , be sure to put the gear change lever in the neutral position between 2nd and 3rd gear..Just so it doesn't decide to take off with you hanging over the battery box or hydraulic tank...

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