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Keith

01-10-2002 21:53:36




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I have a '63 TD-15B with the rear mounted dual winch setup. Would adding hyrdaulics to this machine be very hard? I plan on keeping this machine around if I can, otherwise I may be looking for something newer. I have put alot of time and money into this one though and I kinda hate to part with it.

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Keith




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right said fred

01-11-2002 18:52:00




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 Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to Keith, 01-10-2002 21:53:36  
On the Cat message board, some guy flamed the TD 15B. That tells me it must be a pretty good machine. Instead of just going out and moving more dirt, some in the Cat cult need to mouth off. Anyway, I've added hydraulics to a couple of old crawlers. I've never looked over a TD 15B, but look at the front of the crankshaft. If there is an extra pulley groove, or two, you can hang a pump off the side run by v-belts. One B section belt could run a 12 gpm pump @1800 psi pretty handily. It depends on how much you want to do: constant? intermittant (dozer)? I would guess your dozer has two v-belts running the fan/water pump/alternator. You could reroute one of these to a hydraulic pump, leaving one to run the alternator (if that's how it is set up.) Also look to run a pto shaft out the front, bolted to the crank pulley. I have one old tractor with a chain sprocket bolted to the crank flywheel that runs a pump. It gives surprisingly good service. There are also some pretty large 12/24 volt electric motor/hyd pump combos out there that might do the job. You might be able to tie into the winch drive in the back and mount a pump.

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Keith

01-12-2002 01:30:59




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 Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to right said fred, 01-11-2002 18:52:00  
I might go with the electric setup if that is feasible. I don't care about tilt or anything just raising and lowering the blade. What message board are you talking about when you said some cat guy was flaming the td-
15b?

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robert

01-12-2002 05:17:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to Keith, 01-12-2002 01:30:59  
the b/b was www.acmoc.org i dont think the post would be there anymore it was transferred over here but cant recall under what posting maybe do a search under TD-15 & see what happens

every machine has faults if u know what they are & no how not to make them happen then its not a problem

bit like cracked heads on IH petrol start diesels, a little care when starting & its not a problem

like fred said either direct couple to front crankshaft/belt drive or if u dont want the winch , why not rear mount it i am assuming it has live PTO so

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Gary Dawkins

01-23-2002 23:40:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to robert, 01-12-2002 05:17:46  
Robert
Could you give me some more info on the starting procedure of the gas over diesel eng? I'm buying a TD 24 and have heard of the cracked head problem.
joshua_gad@yahoo.com



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right said fred

01-12-2002 11:14:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to robert, 01-12-2002 05:17:46  
That flaming post has fallen off our board. I didn't see it in the archives, but there seems to be a lag between when it ends here and shows up in the archives. The flame was by a guy who goes by oz doze on the acmoc board. He posts alot on that board--he must be online full time. He in general has good ideas and seems like a nice guy. He observed some TD 15Bs used by the military and noted that the powershift "would snap your neck off" and saw some final drive and engine failure. As someone noted in a reply, it was clear the operators were not using the decelerator pedal, and no machine can powershift from forward to reverse for long under full power. I have heard stories of cat people purposely abusing other name machinery, and this post brought this to mind. I admire Cat machinery, but I think at times the loyal following exceeds the mechanical quality of the machines. The 361 D engine in the early TD 15B was one of the most successful engines in the ag market. Parts are readily available aftermarket and points up one advantage of older IH crawlers over older Cat--prices of spare parts.

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robert

01-12-2002 15:08:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to right said fred, 01-12-2002 11:14:20  
used to be TD-15,s around here main problem seemed to be when abused , possibly werent as well built as a cat, but parts where cheaper & they where more productive

i read the post as well throwing rods sorta suprised me owned IH tractors for many yrs ,mainly wheeled never had a rod throw have heard of plenty of cats throwing rods,dropping valves ,
361 where fitted to the 1206 ,i gather they where legendary

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right said fred

01-12-2002 22:20:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to robert, 01-12-2002 15:08:16  
May be a case of one incident smearing all.



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Keith

01-13-2002 09:19:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to right said fred, 01-12-2002 22:20:56  
I have noticed several books including the manual I ordered for my TD-15 and several people say the early tractors had the 361. Mine is about as early as you can get, serial #6053 and it has the 407 engine. Do you think it was replaced or do you think it came in there? The machine has been used alot from the way blade and stuff look. The previos owner used it for pushing his dirt scrape and pulling a dirt scrape.

Keith

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right said fred

01-13-2002 20:51:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding hydraulics in reply to Keith, 01-13-2002 09:19:25  
The 15B always had the 407 engine. All crawlers were designed for long life. If not abused engine and drive trains would go 15,000 hours on all makes before a rebuild. Tracks go 5-10,000 hours. I've heard of some going 15 thou. Some cat guy was bragging on this board about a year ago, and I think he implied his D6D went 19,000 hours on one set of tracks, but the way he was talking was off the wall. There are tremendous hours put on construction machinery. The coal mine near here sold there fleet of D9L's at a Ritchie Brothers auction: they all had between 40 and 50,000 hours on them. They were painted with new tracks and all sold for over $100,000. All brands of construction machinery is made to run--don't be afraid to use it.

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