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Dumb Question about loaders

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ed88444

10-23-2007 11:31:45




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The Bucket is rusted clear thru on my International 3444 loader - I have a great bucket from a big Skid steer a bit larger than the old one. Im planning to cut the mounting brackets off the old bucket and stick weld them on the new one - The Old bucket backside is at a slight angle fwd when flat on the ground. New one is near 90 degrees when flat. Im thinking that it wont matter if the brackets are welded on the new bucket at the same angle because I can just adjust the hydraulics where I want when I start the tractor. Is this right ? Thanks much,

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Billy NY

10-23-2007 12:20:38




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 Re: Dumb Question about loaders in reply to ed88444, 10-23-2007 11:31:45  
Hard to say without seeing the configuration, you're saying that the back of the old bucket is less than a 90 deg. angle and the new one is closer to a 90 deg. angle.

My assumption on this is that the old one as configured would have more of a range for dumping, less when curled back, so if you shorten the distance by using the one that is closer to 90 deg, you would have less of a range when dumping and more range when curling back. I would surmise that the distance of the difference of both angles is what you are looking for, and how it changes when you use those mounts on the new bucket. It sounds negligible, because the angles of the back of the bucket are so close, but I would guess that you could equalize that distance that you determined is between both angles, possibly by adjusting the mount up or down as the bucket pivots. Take some measurements, do a little math, see where the bucket needs to be in it's radius as it pivots on the loader arms, to be the same as it was, mark it off and just tack the mounts, put the pins in and see how it works, if good, complete the welds if not, make the necessary adjustments, not sure if you have the float function on your hydraulics or anything that flattens the bucket, probably too old, but if you do, it would be wise to see how the mount locations effect that, although thinking about it, maybe the float would be a function of the loader arm cylinders, not the bucket cylinders, just thinking aloud here, hopefully this makes some kind of sense. I have considered similar things, have a larger bucket that would be great for snow and light materials, that I could easily mount quick tach mounts onto, but like I mentioned, I would tack it first and move it through the complete cylinder range, then you know, before it's completely welded on.

The other thing that I find is important when you have a bucket that really curls back is having a good size spill shield, extra steel on top of the bucket to hold the load in place, it can be so annoying to load the bucket from the pile, curl it back and have a good amount spill off the back, or fall off while traveling. I usually settle the load in the bucket before moving anyway, but if you are working anywhere those little spills need to be cleaned up, the right configuration, spill guard, and a careful operator certainly can save a lot of hand work.

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ed88444

10-23-2007 12:58:05




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 Re: Dumb Question about loaders in reply to Billy NY, 10-23-2007 12:20:38  
Billy, Thanks much - Im about 10 degrees off between the two and I have some adjustment where the mountings screw into the Cylinders - Im going to get em as close as I can and tack it in place and test it like you suggested Thanks kindly, Ed



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Billy NY

10-23-2007 13:23:53




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 Re: Dumb Question about loaders in reply to ed88444, 10-23-2007 12:58:05  
That would be my vote, tack it and eyeball it, 10 degrees would not seem to be much distance from the back corner ( bucket floor and where back wall meet ) to where your mounts are to be attached. My trigonometry is rusty, but it would seem to be any easy calculation if necessary and if needed to be precise, would be interesting to speak with a designer of heavy equipment and see how they do the design for buckets to coordinate with the loader arms

When you eyeball it, you would think that would confirm your mount location, that and figuring the radius your bucket needs to have to do a satisfactory job per your needs, also forgot, does the loader arms have any stops on them that need to meet together with ones on the bucket? I have an old wagner loader on my ford tractor and I needs more range to curl back, but I've never done any modifications to it as I don't handle a lot of materials with it, but it is sure nice to have one set up the way you want for what you need to do with it.

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