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Caterpillar D2 donkey engine

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Hareti

12-12-2007 12:57:20




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Hello, I have a 1940s Cat D2 and am having some problems with the donkey engine. It is running really badly and no amount of fiddling on my part makes any improvement.

The engine has good compression and the magneto is good - it will throw a spark when just turning the flywheel by hand. I have pulled the carb apart and given it a good clean, everything seems ok with it.

The engine starts fairly easily but it never fires evenly. It misses really badly, so badly that even with the throttle wide open it never get anywhere much over what I would imagine to be idle speed. All the while there are clouds of black smoke pouring out of the exhaust which makes me think there is something wrong with the carb and it is getting too much fuel.

The carb is a zenith, I couldn't say which model but if you unscrew the bowl from the side of the barrel there is a long brass tube protruding from the bowl through to the other side of the barrel. Hopefully someone can identify it from this description. There are two fuel mixture screws and I have slowly adjusted both of these in various combinations but they have almost no effect on the running of the engine.

I can't imagine much can go wrong with a carb as simple as this one but the black smoke points to this being the problem. I can't think of anything else that might cause these symptoms. Is there anyone else out there who has had experience with these engines and can offer some advice?

Any help greatly appreciated.

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Ry

12-14-2007 07:44:46




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 Re: Caterpillar D2 donkey engine in reply to Hareti, 12-12-2007 12:57:20  
My 39 D2 has the same type of problem. Good spark - cleaned the carb,took it apart, soaked it in carb dip. Still no power and smokes black when running. Will not stay running.
I will double check the timing on mine but if you find something on yours let me know - And I will let you know if I get mine running good. The carb is a Zenith TU4C? If I remember right.



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Eric in IL

12-12-2007 18:53:51




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 Re: Caterpillar D2 donkey engine in reply to Hareti, 12-12-2007 12:57:20  
Are you sure the timing is right? I had similar problems with a D7. Turned out someone had put the mag on wrong. If I remember correctly the mag coupling could be turned to fit in two positions. One position didn"t run worth a dang.



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Jim Krem

12-12-2007 18:41:36




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 Re: Caterpillar D2 donkey engine in reply to Hareti, 12-12-2007 12:57:20  
I would start the pony up let it run and shut the gas off letting the pony run till it runs out of gas, if it starts running good or better before it dies than i would suspect a leaking needle and seat or misajusted float. hope this helps



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hector gemme

12-12-2007 16:23:50




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 Re: Caterpillar D2 donkey engine in reply to Hareti, 12-12-2007 12:57:20  
To obtain an approximate carburator adjustement, turn the adjusting screws in gently as far as possible.Then back off the high speed screw one turn from the open position and the idling speed adjusting screw on half turn from the close position.CARBURATOR 5F3527



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135 Fan

12-12-2007 13:53:43




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 Re: Caterpillar D2 donkey engine in reply to Hareti, 12-12-2007 12:57:20  
I'm no expert but when a choke is on will cause black smoke. Is the air cleaner plugged or dirty?Maybe the needle valves need to be cleaned more or replaced if they don't make any difference. Cleaning the points and setting them might make a difference as well. I was using a big pump with a V4 Wisconson that would run but wouldn't speed up. I cleaned the carb and it didn't help so I took a really small file and filed the points just a little. It ran great after that. Hope this helps. Someone will know whats wrong. Dave

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