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Help looking at a JD350

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flipper

12-21-2007 19:16:00




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New to Discussion board and to track machines. The folks here seam to know a thing or two about track machines and JD, so I thought I would ask a question or two. I have a small tractor w/loader (16 HP)and like it just fine ,but feel I need more grunt, to clear some land loaded with privet trees and make some roads. Most of what I know about track machines I learned on the web,like rollers, bushings, sprockets, rails, pads and other stuff I cant think of right now. But here is where the rubber hits the road,I went and looked at JD350 loader (what fun). S/N 016332 (pre 1970 I think) the bushings, rails, idlers, and sprockets all looked very good but the pads looked very worn and had 1/2" stock welded on for traction ( is that common ). 40 deg. and started right up and ran good (I think I heard a miss now and then ).I could only find 3 forward gears plus R ( is that right )The seller had no histroy, got it from the widow of the owner. what do you think so far?

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c65truck

12-28-2007 20:02:28




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
I talked to my Dealer he said that program is not available anymore.. But you are right you could get your 350 refurbished but you do not have "new" you have what is considered a bonded buy where I am from. If your machine is a 1975 model it is still a 1975 model not new. When you go to sell it or trade it off it is still a 1975 model no matter how good it is. In regards to factory and auto-drains, venting the steering clutch housing it was not available when we had the 350B and not when we got rid of it "traded for 550". Every loader I have used had places is was under power if you want to call it that, I say limitations. I try not to spin track or tires anymore than I have to. When you are spinning your tracks you are losing time, but you are going to spin sometimes.

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c65truck

12-26-2007 21:11:33




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
a 350 is a small machine it was made to dress up yards and grade around house , level fill in foundations. it was not made to clear heavy brush and trees although it will. my father bought a new 350b dozier run it for around 4500 hours only promblems we had was the steering clutchs (b's were dry) john deere put three set's in under warrenty. when the warrenty run out father drilled each side of the steering clutch housings put a small breather on it, loosened the brakes and we never had any more problems. I saw my father take down an oak tree about three feet in dia. it took him awhile but he did it. remeber a small tractor will only do what a small tractor will do. if you want a tractor to do what a d5 or a 650j will do you have to buy one. I wish they made new ones I would like to have a new 350. a 350 will do a lot of work but is small. being a loader it will give you extra leverage.our 350 had all the power it could use for it's weight any more would have been wasted. and Iknow what power is i've been doing excavtion work for 35 years. I have a cl-45 ford skid steer and a 332 john deere track skid steer if the ground is hard and it's short distance I will out work your skid steer with a track loader. skid steers did not do away with track loader excavators did. skid steers are handy machines

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jdemaris

12-27-2007 18:27:59




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to c65truck, 12-26-2007 21:11:33  
350 dozer does have about all the power the machine can handle and will spin the tracks all day long in 2nd gear when running right.

350 loader is a whole different story and is very underpowered, even for moderate loader work. Lifting a bucket full of dirt with a 23 GPM pump and turning the tracks into the pile at the same time - takes a lot more power than just bulldozing.

In regard to venting the steering-clutch housings -factory vents and auto-drains were available that screw into the low end of each steering clutch housing. When cared for, the dry clutches hold up just as well as the wet clutchs, and sometimes they do better. We had a very high failure rate with steeing clutches during the first few years of the "new' 350Cs with wet clutches.

In regard to new - you CAN still buy them, but they cost a fortune. Deere sells completely factory refurbished 350Cs and 450Cs, all updated including more modern engines and new serial # tags on them, and sells under the "Certified Relife Program." Last I heard, to buy one of these new 350Cs, you had to trade in an old one - plus give them an additional $65,000.

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flipper

12-23-2007 07:00:20




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
Thanks for everyone's replies, its great that you take the time to help someone else. Some more details on this jd350, when idling or running slow with little throttle I could hear a rubbing or wearing sound, but not a metal sound. Could this be the brake bands or something like that dragging, throttle up and the sound goes away or just can't hear it over the noise of the engine. After about 20 min. of test drive I turned it off and it would not start again, the seller thought that a solenoid on the injector pump was the problem and he was working on it when I left. The bottom bucket pin bores have about 1/8 " slop in them but every thing else look good (not easy to see a lot of that stuff).Although the flat J shaped bars that held up the tilt cylinder ends flopped around alot. I must say that I was impressed by the power (but what do I know I think my 16 HP tractor loader has good power )it would spin into a pile of clay and pick up a full load. This is the first piece of equipment like this I have looked at so I have nothing compare to but its the things you can't see that will bite you! Anyway I"ll shut up now, keep the replies coming. Thank you.

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jdemaris

12-23-2007 07:56:48




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-23-2007 07:00:20  
When you say it has a lot of power, I'll ask - power doing what? I guess I'm not sure what kind of work you want to use it for. Being a loader, some people use such machines for charging into a pile of dirt or gravel, and lifting the bucket at the same time. That takes power - and with some types of fill, a 350 lacks power - which results in frequent engine lugging and a shortening of engine life. Don't get me wrong - it's a very well built machine - but does lack power for many types of loader-use. We sold many new and had many complaints.

And again, back to what kind of work you want it for - in many cases a good skid-steer will outwork a 350 by a lot. I had one job I started with a 450 loader, and then had occasion to finish up with a Bobcat 753 (Kubota diesel). I moved twice the dirt, twice as fast with the Bobcat. Only big drawback was keeping traction. Ground was wet, and I had a long run - a hundred yards through a wet field with each load of dirt. About every half-dozen runs, the runway got so rutted by the Bobcat, it would bottom out and lose traction. So, I'd take the 450 out and fix the road, and then start over again.

In regard to not starting hot - I doubt it's the solenoid on the pump. A worn injection pump will start cold, and not start hot unless you pour cold water over it. If that is the case, the pump is shot and will be expensive to fix. If it's the little round pump with the solenoid wire that attaches to the side (and not the top) the pump is not even repairable.

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Mike M

12-22-2007 15:42:40




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
I used to have an older model JD440 crawler loader. About the same overall size of a 350 but lighter I think. You sure can do alot of things with one of them and I miss it at times. No skid steer will come close to doing any thing that JD350 can do ! I have pushed over some good sized trees with that loader as you can push up high for more leverage. You can lift ALOT of weight easily over 4000 lbs. and move it. If it is in any kinda useable shape buy it. You can always resell it.

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jdemaris

12-22-2007 09:03:16




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
350 Deere crawler loader is very underpowered - so I advise you use it first and make sure it's going to do what you want. We sold many new and had endless complaints about lack of power. With many types of fill, there is barely enough power to charge into a pile and have power against the tracks and raise a full bucket at the same time. Same with the early 450s, but the later 450s got bigger engines and turbos - which made them great loader machines. The 350s did not get any real power upgrade.

I've got a 1010 crawler-loader, and the guy I got it from replaced it with a 350B loader. He says he liked the 1010 better - since it had as almost as much power, and was lighter.

350 loader makes a great backhoe machine since it's weight anchors it to the ground very well.
In regard to prices, I often pass up 350 loaders in the $4000 price ranges in useable - but not perfect condition. I just has a chance to buy a 350B with a clamshell Drott front bucket and a backhoe for $5500. Pretty good deal, but not a steal. You start talking $6000 and up, and you ought to be able to get a nice 450 series for that - at lease here in New York. Dozers go for more, often a lot more - 350 or 450.

In regard to potential money pit - any machine can qualify. Deere 350 loader ought to have a hydraulic reverser besides the 4 sp gear transmission. If it does NOT have a reverser, it lowers the value - it's almost a must in a loader.
Just the reverser itself, if it needs to be rebuilt, can cost you $3000 - $4000, so bear that in mind. If you can't find 4th gear, don't worry about it - it's too fast to be used for anyting anyway. Often the shift-quadrant gets bent or out of adjustment and you can't find 4th anyway. In a 350 loader - 1st and 2nd is just about all you're ever going to use.

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uncle

12-22-2007 04:53:51




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
flipper,
The JD 350 is the most popular machine here in Arkansas. It the JD name is prime and the machine can be moved by nearly everyone as most around here have a one ton.
I just sold a JD350 Loader. The machine started right up even in the cold. I put in Brand New Steering Clutches and Brakes Bands, the sprockets were about 40%, the tracks pins and bushings were also about 30-40%, there was some welds but nothing major, the bucket was a little loose. I got $6500.
I have seen them sell for less so I'm glad I got what I did.
People weld up the gouzers when they need more traction because they are using it for a dozer. It will really tear up the ground with deer tracks when you spin it around.
The tracks should have had three short bars on each pad for a loader.
I would look real good at the pins, bushings and front idler on a machine that had the tracks built up.
Make sure the diler is not even close to the front of the rail. If it is, the chains are shot. Welding up the gouzers is easier/cheaper fix than doing it right.
Check the master Pin in each track, see if it's loose and welded in place. This will give you an indication as to how the tracks have been treated.
Brian

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135 Fan

12-21-2007 21:56:01




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-21-2007 19:16:00  
Look in the archives on here. To upgrade from a 16 hp loader wouldn't take much. A skid steer might be a better choice for you. They will do more work than most people can imagine and are more versatile. Track machines cost lots of money to fix. Skid steers can to but not as much. How much do you want to spend? Dave



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flipper

12-22-2007 02:54:54




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to 135 Fan, 12-21-2007 21:56:01  
That's the choice everyone has to make, small track loader, skid steer or even a small dozer for that matter. Will not get the answer to that question till I get one or the other. That's why I value everyone's opinion. The reason I'm looking at this jd350 loader is because its close to home and in my price range (not a lot out their in the 6K +/- price range )Nobody wants a money pit, so condition is very important. Don't know what I'll end up with but feel I can't go wrong if its in good condition. So when a machine (skid steer or track machine ) come up for sale that's local, I go and look at it.

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135 Fan

12-22-2007 21:43:07




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to flipper, 12-22-2007 02:54:54  
I have a skid steer and a 931B Cat loader with 4 in 1 bucket and quick attach backhoe. I had a JD 355D(1987) which was the last model of the 350 loader. It had the biggest engine and it was a good machine. I got the Cat because it had the hoe and sold the 355D. My skid steer is a 1300 lb. rated machine and is 5 ft. wide. Unless I'm doing heavy pushing, I prefer the skid steer. It will clear lighter bush. It's way faster maneuvering and the hydraulics are extremely fast when compared to the Cat or JD track machine. If you had a bigger size of skid steer, you would be impressed with what you can do with it. I don't know if a crawler machine is really needed unless you have a fair size piece of land. That's why I suggested a skid steer. Lots more maintenance on a track machine. As far as a skid steer and a JD 350 goes, If you took a skid steer the same size and weight, you might as well leave the JD at home unless there was a problem for flat tires. A much lighter skid steer would still do circles around the JD 350. One of the reasons small crawler loaders aren't made anymore is because skid steers have taken over most jobs the track machines did. A lot would depend on your budget. Hope this helps. Dave

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135 Fan

12-22-2007 21:56:24




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 Re: Help looking at a JD350 in reply to 135 Fan, 12-22-2007 21:43:07  
I thought I should add that I did the complete final drives, including brake bands, and the complete undercarriage(except pads) on the 355D. If I remember right it cost me around $8000 and I did it by myself at a friends shop. It would have cost a lot more at a dealer. I matched up bearings and Duo-cone seals because the JD prices were rediculous. I spent a bunch of time just straightening the track frames. When I sold the machine I lost a little money and I think it needed a seal between the reverser and the final drives. That would have been a big job to get at I think. I sold it in 2000. Dave

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