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350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage

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Steven Giblin

02-13-2008 13:34:20




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Late 70"s 350 Crawler with PTO Driving Walenstein BX60 wood chipper-Can chew though most anything up to 4"+ anything over can stop chipper but not stall engine Shuttle pressure not up to spec 110-120 PSI but running at 80+ PSI
Question is the shuttle slipping or the tourque conveter slipping? Should be able to stall engine, Maybe a good thing as not to break any shafts in the transmission, havent checked the regulator valve spring yet, next stop.
Who has rebuild kits for the shuttle if need be

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AJ.

02-13-2008 20:19:34




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to Steven Giblin, 02-13-2008 13:34:20  
Don"t worry because it don"t stall the engine it is not a direct drive,the minimum pressure for the Borg Warner Velvet shift shuttle at full throttle with the F/R in neutral is 130psi, in F or R 125psi is minium, 80psi is too low,when doing the test the shuttle should have the right amount of fluid in it and the clutch solenoid disconnected,there is nothing much can be done with the shuttle in situ,but first drain the fluid into a clean container and remove the little pan from the bottom to gain access to the suction strainer,take the strainer down to clean it and check on the o"ring on the end of the pipe in case its gone hard and drawing air there,with the strainer and pan back on put the fluid back and start the engine on low idle,top it up to the right level,the level is checked with the engine running at low idle, if the pressure is still down there is nothing for it but to remove the shuttle and repair it.
Good luck
AJ

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Steven giblin

02-13-2008 22:55:03




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to AJ., 02-13-2008 20:19:34  
Thanks AJ I did have the pan off and checked the pickup stainer, Where is the clutch solenoid?
Most presure I get with a gauge at the shuttle in fwd at full throttle maybe 100 PSI, do you supose the pump is worn or clutch pack seals leaking? I have yet to check the regulator spring? I was under the impresion the converter and the fwd clutch engaged the mainshaft would be locked up in a direct drive out through the PTO, I guess not there is a certin amount of slipage?

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AJ.

02-14-2008 15:46:04




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to Steven giblin, 02-13-2008 22:55:03  
The clutches do lock up when engaged but not the torque,have you a manual if so look up and do the TC/shuttle stall test,the most common thing that happens to the shuttle is that forward drive is lost,that can happen sudden due to a belelville spring breaking causing the squeeze on the forward clutch pack to be released even though a pressure test could indicate good pressure,the second thing is the charge pump worn,if the f/clutch pack was worn you would have smelt it in the oil and the remains of it would be in the strainer/filter,the temperature would have been high, you would have smelt the hot oil, when using the machine is it pushing ok,the pressure is a bit low at 100psi but I think you expect the chipper to stall the engine,that will not happen,not if you fit a new torque and shuttle,the most that will happen when the chipper jams is a drop in the engine RPM,seldom the TC fails but they can and most times you would hear it,if you have a good reverse the problem is the forward clutch,do the stall test and come back,put the engine on full throttle in neutral and take an RPM reading,go to idle put the transmission in fourth gear,shuttle in forward,brakes on and hold the machine,increase speed gently to full throttle and take a reading of the RPM,go to idle and put the shuttle in reverse and repeat above, compare the readings and see if they are within the specs in the manual,its a nice looking unit that are you after buying it as it looks very clean and square,if you had the chipper on a manual drive machine it could stall the engine or break something in the drive line when it jams,Go to the link below to see what is inside a torque,its an auto one but very similar to what in your machine.
AJ

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Steven Giblin

02-14-2008 16:30:21




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to AJ., 02-14-2008 15:46:04  
Thanks again for the Info, A little backround I have been working on equipment for many years, I have been restoring this crawler since I bought it last fall with a broken final drive on one side,did a inframe on the engine. I had worked the machine pretty hard after I did the final and U/C last fall and decided to go through the engine cause the blowby was so bad you couldnt see where you were going, even though it was running on 2 cylinders it still would push trees over and spin the tracks, the trans pressure still was only about 100 PSI. When I had it in the shop I drained the Torque converter and shuttle the oil was nice and clean not burnt and the pickupscreen was clean, I know this machine had not had the shuttle pan off ever.
I built the 3 point out of old Ford N parts and lift gate cylinder, I should post a picture of when I bought it, The Woman I bought it from was going to scrap it!

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AJ.

02-15-2008 03:24:19




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to Steven Giblin, 02-14-2008 16:30:21  
Great that you saved it and it looks swell,that Borg Warner shuttle has been in an awful lot of different makes of machine and very much so in backhoes as well as crawlers and forklifts,they are not as common now as most backhoes are gone to powershift,the 100psi is a bit low but I think that it is enough and I would only go by the machine pushing rather than going by the chipper which may be a lot higher in ratio,if the machine can push a full blade is ok,if its stops when you put the blade in the ground its got a problem,if it has a strong reverse that would rule out the TC you are down to the forward clutch either not engaging fully because of low pressure,pressure loss on the piston or worn discs.
Good luck
AJ

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CHinNY

02-13-2008 16:31:59




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to Steven Giblin, 02-13-2008 13:34:20  
I have rebuild kits for shuttle and also rebuilt converters. Email me for my web site



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Bob/Ont

02-13-2008 15:35:07




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 Re: 350 Case Crawler Power Shuttle Slipage in reply to Steven Giblin, 02-13-2008 13:34:20  
Check and record the pressures at high and low idle and come back. Check in for and rev too. Later Bob



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