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D8H Engine problems

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donny kindred

02-24-2008 09:15:46




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hey guys this is my problem, While walking the tractor yesterday (D8H, 36A), the motor just quit, like it ran out of fuel. It has fuel and checked oil level (OK), While I have the pony motor running, I noticed that there is no oil pressure on the gauge, had dad crack an injector line at pump and fuel pump is working, while pony motor is running it seems like there is no (or very little compression on diesel motor (turns over easy while pony motor is running). Looking at service book this morning I think it may be the oil pump maybe not turning, could be pin in oil pump gear sheared off, reading that low or no olil pressure keeps the motor from recieving fuel. I know its long guys sorry but I'm alittle stumped, (Texas State Police Pilot, not diesel mechanic). Any help would greatly be appreciated, Donny

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donny kindred

02-25-2008 16:09:41




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-24-2008 09:15:46  
OK, Last week the mechanic my dad uses put 5 new cat injector tips in head. When all this mess started the other day, I noticed that the tractor was missing when under a load (sounded like one cylinder. ran like that 5 or 6 hours then the tractor quit. Mechanic came out today and checked the injector tips first. He said Caterpillar was having a bunch of troubled with new injector tips. He checked a few things before turning it over with starting engine. Found out that 3 injector tips are bad. He said that the compression could put alot of pressure back into the injector pump if a tip is bad. Ordered aftermarket tips today will be in tomorrow, I will let yall know. (There was full oil pressure on gauge today while trying to start motor), go figure. Donny

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Bob/Ont

02-25-2008 17:05:29




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-25-2008 16:09:41  
Don, If you get dirt in the injectors when installing them they will not work right either. That will make them bubble back aswell. Go out there when he puts it together again and watch the exhaust. Any cyl's getting fuel and not fireing will give white puffs of smoke.
Later Bob



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Old Magnet

02-24-2008 20:50:16




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-24-2008 09:15:46  
A lot of scattered information here.
Loss of compression needs to be checked first before cranking engine with pony or more serious damage can occur. Pull valve cover and check for valve action.

Later models had speed limiting oil pressure make device on the rack, early models did not. Fuel will not be pumped if rack is blocked.

Fuel system shows conventional system with no gizmo's. Could be typical fuel delivery problems with filters or relief valve but does not explain compression loss.

Oil pressure loss could be anything from sheared pin to loss of drive from the crankshaft.

Camshaft could break and still have drive to the injection pump.

Crankshaft could break and you would loose drive to oil pump, injection pump and camshaft which would also explain loss of compression.

Cranking the engine with camshaft not working will result in valve/piston damage depending on where it broke. Also not a good idea to be cranking with no oil pressure.

Sounds like a good one. Stay calm and sort things out but do it in a way that will not cause further damage.

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fcj

02-24-2008 12:23:56




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-24-2008 09:15:46  
you are correct with the engine not running because of very low or no oil pressure. There is a device in the fuel system that will stop fuel delivery when this occurs. You really wouldn"t know the problem until you get the oil pan down. It may be just a pin sheared, or a shaft broke, pump...many possibilities. Good luck taking the pan down....very heavy!



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Tom Nelson

02-24-2008 10:23:19




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-24-2008 09:15:46  
The sudden no compression sounds more like a camshaft snapped.



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donny kindred

02-24-2008 10:41:08




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to Tom Nelson, 02-24-2008 10:23:19  
BUT IF THE CAM SHAFT SNAPPED WOULD THE INJECTOR PUMP STILL WORK, I THINK THE CAM ALSO WORKS THE INJECTOR PUMP.



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Bob/Ont

02-24-2008 17:42:25




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-24-2008 10:41:08  
Don, drain the oil and take off one of the plates on the oil pan sump. You should be able to see if shaft to oil pump is turning or not.
Did the engine load down and put out a lot of black smoke before it stopped?
Later Bob



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donny kindred

02-24-2008 18:48:51




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to Bob/Ont, 02-24-2008 17:42:25  
Bob thanks for reply, No it gave on indication before it quite. My dad was on it and he has owned and operated it for the past 30 years. Just died. I am going in the morning to pull the oil pan and look. After reading the service manual this morning I kind of ruled it down to the oil pump area. Thanks for the reply, I will post back with what I've found. Thanks Donny



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Bob/Ont

02-24-2008 19:47:11




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 Re: D8H Engine problems in reply to donny kindred, 02-24-2008 18:48:51  
Don, Change one of the oil filters and cut the old one open to look for metal flakes. If it's clean crank it over on the starting engine on full compression and check for any oil pressure before opening oil pan. I think if it lost oil pressure your dad would have noticed something since he has ran it so long. 46A is powershift so I guess 36A is direct drive, if so does it have a Fuel Torque on the back of the master clutch? I encounterd a strange problem with one 30 yrs ago, never got into it but have some suspicions of cause.
You could prime the fuel system but as soon as you started it ran out of fuel. All the fuel just disapeared out of the pump. Have learned a lot about torques since then, might be up to the challenge now.
Later Bob

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