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Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine?

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NawlensGator

03-12-2008 12:16:52




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Post Katrina I've still got about 10 stumps to remove and I don't want to grind. I'm at the same time thinking I need a bigger tractor with a loader. What would it take to dig up and pile the stumps without tearing my land all up? These were 100+ yr old oaks and yellow pines.

I would also like to go around a swamp and reach in 15' or so and clear out about 18" deep. Should I buy a backhoe/loader or excavator and sell when I'm finished? Can one machine do both jobs? This is on about 5 acres of land.

Advice welcomed.

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Billy NY

03-13-2008 07:08:29




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to NawlensGator, 03-12-2008 12:16:52  
Excavator would be a good choice, but you really need to investigate your soil conditions, and operating areas, particularly any soft areas, sometimes operating in areas like that, you get 1 or 2 passes before it pumps up and you start sinking, let alone stopping and using the hoe, as you are working the ground pressure from the weight of the machine can cause you to sink in from all the boom and stick movement and heavy wet soil you pull from the swamp.
You don't want to get a heavier class machine stuck in conditions like that, if it's risky, best to have a contingency plan to get it out if it gets stuck, once that carbody goes under, unless you have a stump within bucket's reach and are smart enough not to churn yourself in, you may or may not be able to turn and pull yourself out, the suction has a lot of strength. Lightest class of machine for the job with best flotation, longer track frames, with standard stick and boom will be the best choice and least impact to the soft ground. Sometimes it helps to have some experience in working soft areas, because you may only have a few passes before it pumps up and you sink, even using a makeshift timber mat, you'll need a pair, use the hoe to place as you move along, use it like a derrick for flotation, could be well worth the effort to avoid sinking, don't mind me, I take no chances in soft areas, sometimes it does not take much or it gets you by surprise. Once you get anything of size stuck, it can be a real pain to get out. First sign of sinking in, best to stop and deal with it before you get stuck even if it means calling off the work.

Only appplicable if you are working in soft conditions, if you can work from stable ground you may be able to use either machine, just use care and be attentive to the soil conditions

Rubber tire backhoe loader is a more versatile machine, I'd prefer one when possible, but not in real soft conditions, they will point load the ground and pump up water in no time, not enough flotation, you will be jacking yourself up with both buckets and trying to get out, making a mess and ruts that will fill up with water if you try to work in soft areas. This is where the 1 or 2 pass rule comes into play. I've done lots of work in soft areas with them and it's never a joy, many times staying stationary and just reaching and piling with the hoe, and repeating, double and triple casting of excavated material to stockpile where I can get at it with the front bucket or load trucks with the hoe, all because if I ran on the soft stuff, I'd be stuck in no time. If the ground is a little soft, you might mess it up with one of these, but you can usually smooth it over again, if the ruts are not too deep, but beyond that these can make a mess in short order.

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NawlensGator

03-13-2008 08:16:48




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to Billy NY, 03-13-2008 07:08:29  
Thanks for the advice and all the good replies. This forum is great.

I thought about the sinking problem, which I hadn't considered before. 360 deg swing capability would certainly be a benefit for that.

The swamp is about 100 ft from a river on the north side and the river level is usually at least 5 ft below the swamp level. What if I trenched the 100 ft and drained the swamp first (swamp covers about 7 or 8 acres)?

I don't know if it would dry enough to be able to get down in it with heavy equipment. However I have driven and mowed in the swamp bottom with my IH 140 and 6 ft shreader during drought conditions. Draining might at least let me get heavy equipment closer to the edge without sinking.

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Billy NY

03-13-2008 10:23:18




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to NawlensGator, 03-13-2008 08:16:48  
One thing you may want to research before doing any work is the regulations and laws in regards to the wetland, if you plan to alter it in any way, even if in a remote area, satellite images will reflect changes, and you could be in hot water over it. Draining into the river, there could be issues with silt, erosion and who knows what, depends on where it is and what authority exists that determines what if any excavation work is permitted. I have a fair amount of wet areas here that were not that way years back when the fields were cultivated, anything I do to alleviate the problem in those places is very subtle and done when I know cover will grow back rapidly, needs to be done but once it's wet it could be a problem. Some of the regulations are seemingly ridiculous, I respect the land and wildlife to no end and know more about what lives here than any DEC person would. We also own a large wetland, to remain as such under federal regulation, cannot do anything within 150'-0" buffer around it, the power company owns a section through there, and they had to get permits to work in that buffer area, I'd love to dress up the banks and deepen a few areas for a dock and access, and improve the perimeter so I can mow up closer to it, as it does stay soft until the dry weather comes around, it has taken some land from a field over the years, just can't do anything there unless it is permitted, I don't think they would allow anything I mentioned here either, disturbing natural vegetation etc., funny we never had purple loofstripe here and it's all around the perimeter, as well as some 10-12 foot tall grasses usually found in vast wetlands that somehow made it in here, only 1 section. I'd look into that aspect of it to be clear on the rules.

That aside, draining and controlling the water is always a plus, and it sounds like you are familiar with the area to know when and where you can work with that 140, which is a light tractor and if you can get in there when it's dry, that ought to tell you that when those conditions are present it's the best time to work. One you lower that water level, it usually helps but the undisturbed saturated areas still need time to dry and firm up, and you will have to monitor the area to make a call on when and where you can work, best check out the regulations on working in that wetland first.

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NawlensGator

03-13-2008 13:48:24




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to Billy NY, 03-13-2008 10:23:18  

Interesting. I aim to actually improve the swamp. I maintain a deer feeder, have installed several wood duck houses which get used annually, and plant a food plot that is used by the deer rabbit turkeys etc. I would drain, clear, and refill. I also plan to keep it filled with my well. I know about the regulations and would do this under cover. I mounted a small blade at the end of a 12' I-beam and hung it from a rear boom pole which I drop and drag the bottom with. Not very far however and it's awkward to move around with such a long protrusion to the rear. Lifts the front tires on the 140 some times. Ha.

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2x4

03-12-2008 21:55:14




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to NawlensGator, 03-12-2008 12:16:52  
I have a Cat E70B track excavator thats finished on my farm in west TN. Weighs 14,000 lbs. digs 16 ft deep. Can be transported on single axle truck. Low ground pressure 24 in. pads, steel track with bolt-on rubber pads. 24 in. bucket, excellent condition-work ready. $22,000. Come & try it out.



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135 Fan

03-12-2008 18:16:08




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to NawlensGator, 03-12-2008 12:16:52  
Rent an excavator if you have soft ground. Even a larger mid size would probably work. Get one with the widest pads and lowest ground pressure possible. I have a track loader with hoe and it goes in softer ground than rubber tires but still gets stuck pretty good. An excavator swings 360 deg. which is a big plus. If you start to sink, you can swing around and pull yourself out. You are going to have a bunch of big holes though if the trees were big. You might need a ripper tooth to run around the stumps first and cut roots. A thumb on the hoe would help to pick up the stumps but isn't a real big neccessity. Dave

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JML755

03-12-2008 17:54:17




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 Re: Stump removal / swamp clearing - What machine? in reply to NawlensGator, 03-12-2008 12:16:52  
Gator,

Backhoe would do the job. Mine is an old Ford 755 and is great at pulling stumps. Reach is about 15' or so. It's not a mudder, though. I've got it stuck numerous times. With 5 acres, I'd think you might be better to rent a BH. Without seeing your property, I think just clearing stumps and cleanup wouldn't justifying a purchase of such a machine, if you plan to sell it after the job is done.

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