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overheating / cable adj. D6B

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U9 U9 Cat

03-14-2008 16:44:38




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Now I got her running, she wants to run at 190, thats too hot. do you think? Can you rod out the radator with it in the dozer? by just taking the top off?
Any pointers, on single person cable adj? Give me the run down Magnet.
Didn't make a lot of progress today but it was the longest work done so far. The stuff I'm clearing is like hair with a tree every 10 foot. she cools down but goes right back to 190. Thats work.. Talk later

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Old Magnet

03-14-2008 21:13:09




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 16:44:38  
The temp. isn't bad. Thermostat should open at 175 deg and be fully open at 186 deg. Might want to check thermostat before you do anything else. Are you losing any fluid?

Is it front or rear cable winch?



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U9 U9 Cat

03-14-2008 21:24:26




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to Old Magnet, 03-14-2008 21:13:09  
Rear cable.. Its good to know about the Temp I was pretty worried, I didn't let it get passed much over 190 I broke the cable, for the front blade it looks like 1/2 Dia. I have lots of 3/8 but... I hear the the way to go is to put 5/8 I don't mine fighting the cable, I worked on a tug.
The shim worked I made one, .1 thou and added it to the other shims put it right in there. Roller frame done again.

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Billy NY

03-15-2008 07:17:03




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 21:24:26  
There is actually a specification for the correct cable, and I believe it is specific to the application and will provide the best service life, assuming nothing has changed in wire rope construction this should be what is called for:

1/2" diameter 6x19 (with filler wires), with an independent wire rope center, preformed, of Lang Lay construction, manufactured from improved plow steel, Right Lay is ordinarily used.

This is taken from an old LeTourneau power control unit instruction book, it states that this type of cable has the strength and wear qualities required for this application. The caterpillar book for my blade just shows a part number, 40 feet of cable for a rear CCU on a D7 but I thought it was the same spec. wire rope.

You can also leave a some extra spooled up and secured on the front of the tractor so you can rotate the wear areas of it, this extends the service life of it by eliminating concentrated wear in one spot for each sheave, just loosen up the cable stop and reel some to the back or let some off the spool and loop the extra onto the front. (see attached photo) Whatever you do pay special attention to what you are doing, don't adust that CCU when the tractor is running, especially if a front mounted one, that can be deadly.

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Now here is some information on this type of cable/wire rope

RIGHT LAY LANG LAY WIRE ROPE:

Wire rope is termed Right Lay when strands are laid from left to right and Left Lay is when the strands are laid from righ to left. Wire rope is Regular Lay when wires in each strand are laid in opposite direction to that of strands in rope. In Lang Lay rope, wires of each strand are laid in the same directions as strands in rope.

The length of exposed wires in a Lang Lay rope is about twice that of the Regular Lay, consequently it is better able to withstand abrasion, and for the same resaon, it reduces wear on sheaves and drums. It fatigues slower from bending over sheaves and drums. On the other hand, a Lang Lay rope is more lively, and should be handled with care to prevent kinking. It requires a proper drum winding to prevent crushing. Preforming a Lang Lay wire ropereduces the kinking tendency and makes for smoother spooling.

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Old Magnet

03-14-2008 21:45:32




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 21:24:26  
Cable should be 1/2 inch.
Is it a model #25 ccu? or let me know if other. Also how many wraps on the sheaves so I can get the cable length right. I'll send the info to you via email in the am.



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U9 U9 Cat

03-14-2008 22:24:31




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to Old Magnet, 03-14-2008 21:45:32  
25 two on the upper and lower front blade. 1/2 looks small



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Billy NY

03-15-2008 07:34:11




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 22:24:31  
Don't mind me, gives me an excuse to dust off old industrial supplier books :)

According the to the tables for 1/2" wire rope, it varies by type, stength in tons seems to range from 8 to 10 (2000 lb tons) information provided from Leschen wire rope MFR. I'd think you would be good with 1/2" as called for, the blade can't be more that 4000-5000 lbs., just have to keep an eye on worn areas, not bang the sheave blocks together when raising and not let the blade free fall, all this is sure to keep one busy when operating an old cable dozer !

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U9 U9 Cat

03-14-2008 22:33:42




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 22:24:31  
sheaves two sheave per a block. 9u was 68 ft.



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Old Magnet

03-15-2008 09:28:16




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 22:33:42  
I sent you an email but you will have to respond with yours so that I can send attachments.



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Old Magnet

03-15-2008 14:28:53




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to Old Magnet, 03-15-2008 09:28:16  
Got your email address, information sent.



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U9 U9 Cat

03-15-2008 21:54:56




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to Old Magnet, 03-15-2008 14:28:53  
Thanks again, you're always a big help



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135 Fan

03-14-2008 20:01:35




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 16:44:38  
I was told a diesel should be run a little hotter. I use a 190 thermostat in my tractor with no problems. Dave



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U9 U9 Cat

03-14-2008 21:29:27




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to 135 Fan, 03-14-2008 20:01:35  
I'm releved, You know its an after market gauge makes it look bad, But works Thanks



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bob plumadore

03-15-2008 06:30:40




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to U9 U9 Cat, 03-14-2008 21:29:27  
if our radiator cap and gasket are god and the pressure relief valve is working properly you are not overheating. you should have 14 psi pressure on the cooling system. it will not boil until it reaches aprox 235°F. The 190 210 range is Ideal and a little higher under a heavy load.



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U9 U9 Cat

03-15-2008 14:00:25




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 Re: overheating / cable adj. D6B in reply to bob plumadore, 03-15-2008 06:30:40  
Thanks Bob



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