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fire extinguisher for crawler?

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RussT

04-30-2008 13:41:06




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Does anyone have an opinion on keeping a fire extinguisher on a crawler when doing forestry and land clearing work? I use my JD 450C on my property clearing land at times. Sometimes I stir a smoldering burn pile with my root rake. I get nervous thinking the crawler may catch fire from fluids on the bottom of the crawler getting too close to the hot coals. I keep thinking maybe I should strap an extinguisher to the ROPS. Any thoughts?
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RussT

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Nebraska kirk

05-01-2008 20:49:36




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to RussT, 04-30-2008 13:41:06  
Don"t think twice! GET ONE! A good big one like Wayne suggested. They are cheap insurance. I carry one in my truck, and am planning on putting one on each of my tractors.



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jamesh

05-01-2008 06:40:50




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to RussT, 04-30-2008 13:41:06  
I've been doing forestry/logging work with a dozer for over 15 years. In that time I've caught my Case 850D on fire 6 times and not just burning brush piles.The last time it happened my fire extinguisher didn't work.Luckily I still had my SHOVEL.Both shovels and fire extinguishers are required on equipment doing work for the U.S.Forest Service and Calif.Dept. of Forestry.



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NC Wayne

04-30-2008 14:45:10




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to RussT, 04-30-2008 13:41:06  
Opinions he!!, don't waste time asking for opinions...what you need to do is go out right now and get you a extinguisher and get it strapped on. Since we're talking about belly pans there's gonna be both oil and organic material so you need one rated ABC, and the bigger the better. Belly pan fires are extreemly common, and messing around with burn piles your just asking for trouble sooner or later and without a good extinguisher there's definately gonna be alot more trouble when it happens than you want.

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Billy NY

04-30-2008 14:17:37




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to RussT, 04-30-2008 13:41:06  
Belly pan fires are hard to extinguish, oil soaked dirt + dirt/oil covered engine you really don't want to expose any tractor to fire if at all possible, it is probably a good idea to install one if you are fooling with burn piles, use care and be prepared.



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tmoore45acp

04-30-2008 16:58:01




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to Billy NY, 04-30-2008 14:17:37  
why not take a pressure washer and keep belly pan and rest of machine reasonably clean-not hard to do.



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Billy NY

04-30-2008 17:32:19




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to tmoore45acp, 04-30-2008 16:58:01  
Whenever possible, what you suggest is a good idea, but many times people just don't do it. I think this problem is more common with older tractors, people who own them for personal use on a farm, acreage etc., yeah why not stoke the fire even if just coals/embers, and may just not realize. Open fires usually are not found on jobsites. It's an excellent question, I've seen it brought up on other forums, clean that machine, keep a good extinguisher on it, and enjoy the use of it by using care while operating it, fires are dangerous, one ember is all it takes, if that fan is blowing back on the engine, just like a bellows.

A broken, ruptured or pin hole leak from a hydraulic line can still cause a fire on a clean machine, in addtion to one that's had oil leaks, soaking into dirt, dry vegetation, sticks, twigs, leaves etc. in the pan, some of these belly pans are hard to get at to clean, same with putting out a fire. Cat had some problem on D8K's with the blade tilt cylinder hyd lines and I think it was due to design that was not the best, they wore through easily and could result in fire from the oil leak, might have caused a fatality, hard to remember now. I used to heat my lunch on the exhaust manifold on these in no time, it don't take much. I remember a Cat mechanic came to my site and changed out those lines.

Big dairy operation near me lost a late model JD combine, caught fire, think about it, all that dry chaff you can't avoid, a bearing fails, heats up, chaff smolders and burns, hard to put out. Heck my neighbor had to harvest his last 200 acres before he could do his 300 acres, part of that was a field here and he usually knocks it down before deer hunting season, screwed up my hunting with standing corn, so clean that darned machine LOL !!!

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RussT

05-01-2008 06:22:03




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to Billy NY, 04-30-2008 17:32:19  
Thanks for the replys. Keeping the belly pan clean is a good idea. I never thought of the oil filled dirt in there. I did clean it once and should do it more often. And I never thought about the fan blowing the fire. That would be a disaster having a oil fire with a fan blowing on it. I think I'll just stay away from the fires. I can stir the pile AFTER the fire is out. Thanks again,
RussT



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Billy NY

05-01-2008 06:34:33




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 Re: fire extinguisher for crawler? in reply to RussT, 05-01-2008 06:22:03  
Another thing comes to mind, you'll probably figure out how to get most of the accumulated debris out, but if you ever decide to remove one of those belly pans, on the larger tractors they are real heavy, need to be properly supported and safely lowered, you don't want to be under it. On the larger ones they can accumulate quite a bit. I noticed on one of mine, and I think it was due to vibration when the clutch went out, some of the bolts are missing and some are loose, no way I'd get under that one without wire rope slings holding it and some cribbing/blocking etc.

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