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brandon h

07-08-2001 14:40:01




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I just purchased A farmall F-20 the serial# is FA-65836 that makes it a 1936 but how do I tell what month it was made oct. and after was supose to be red I beleive. Thank you for any help you can give..




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Guy Fay

07-08-2001 17:55:40




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 Re: Red or Gray in reply to brandon h, 07-08-2001 14:40:01  
THe switchover to red officially took place in November 1936. November 1936 was also the start of the IH fiscal year, and the start of the new year for the serial numbers. If its a 36, its grey, if its a 37, its red, for most of the tractors. There may have been some tractors painted red before the official switchover.



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Bill Smith

07-08-2001 16:26:57




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 Re: Red or Gray in reply to brandon h, 07-08-2001 14:40:01  
Your tractor is a red one. I have one of these 1936 red F-20's myself. My F-20 has a serial number of FA 61--- . I would give you the whole number but I don't want to post it in here. You never know who might pick the number up and report it stolen. lol Anyway your serial number is newer than mine which makes it manufactured after mine which makes it red. I picked my tractor up about 20 years ago and it came from the neighborhood and I knew the previous 2 owners and I know for a fact that my tractor was never repainted tell I done so in 1993/4. While cleaning it up to repaint I found red paint under the grease and inside the air cleaner and things. I later veryfied this by learning the serial number of the last grey tractor released. However I don't remember this number. There is no real good way to figure out what month your tractor was made. Is what I done was looked at the serial numbers for the year and seen what the last grey tractor serial number was and estimated by 3 months of manufacturing and approximately placed my serial number in that sequence and I thought my tractor was made in either Oct or Nov. Just going by that I would say yours would be Nov or Dec. I would like to find out a little more on this myself. I am just assuming this, but I think the serial number listing for the year goes from Jan. 1 tell Dec. 31 for like 1936. But didn't they do like today's manufactures and issue next years model like in Aug. or Sept. or Oct. See that might make a 1936 red F-20 actually a 1937 model even though it was made in 1936 and falls under the Jan. 1 to Dec. 31 serial number grouping. Well anyway I hoped I helped and I plan on coming back to read some of the other follow ups.

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brandon h

07-08-2001 17:32:30




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 Re: Re: Red or Gray in reply to Bill Smith, 07-08-2001 16:26:57  
Thank you very much. The tractor I have is painted red and I found no gray.But when I bought it the man told me it was a 1938.The tractor runs but it does not run smooth its not a miss it just pops alot threw the exhaust it has a knew mag. a new manifold and the head had been taken off an the man said the valves were fine he said he lapped then and put it back together i have not checked compression or valve adjustment yet.Could it be anything else??? Also can i still get rings bearings and gaskets for my new F-20?

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Bill Smith

07-08-2001 20:42:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Red or Gray in reply to brandon h, 07-08-2001 17:32:30  
1938 F-20's had the v belt instead of the flat belt which drove the fan. I believe 37's had the flat belt like the 36's. I would deffinately check valve clearance. I have worked on several tractors after other people have and they didn't set the clearance correctly. F-20's where notorious for developing stuck valves. Especially if they sat outside. Make sure that you don't have a valve sticking once in awhile creating a fired piston and a backfire out the exhaust or intake at the same time. And like Glen says check the timing. I assume you know all about the spark advance on the mag and the spark retard. That all has to come into play when you are checking timing. Then if it is set right there is a spark adjustment on the mag and if it is complete their is a lever that does this. If not the cap over the points must be down for normal run and up to kill the engine. I was running a diesal fuel mixture with the gas one time to compensate for not running leaded gas. The carb was a little touchy as well along with the governor set a little off and I had trouble with backfiring but I expect your situation is a little different. I found that adding fuel to gas was not very good becuase the heavier fuel didn't seem to mix and would settle in the carb, sediment bowl, and in the tank when tractor sat making starting a failure. I used the duel tanks to do this for awhile but eventually just went back to straight unleaded gas to make things simpler. But anyway that is where I would start. You might check your carb to see if it is set right. It might be delivering the wrong fuel mixture to engine. Well I have jabbered enough. Hope you get it running right.

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Glenn(WV)

07-08-2001 19:02:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Red or Gray in reply to brandon h, 07-08-2001 17:32:30  
Check the timing to make sure it is right.



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