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Brad Whitty

07-10-2001 10:22:11




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After reading everyone's posts regarding the M and MD models, it appears that I do not have the right side "pulley" that works off of the Lift all. I was looking at the tractor and cannot even figure out where it would go. Also, my tractor has two hydraulic levers that are mounted on a pedestal on the right axle, just about shoulder level. This must be some home made set up, correct? It looks like one hose would go to the Lift all in the tractor, route through the levers, and return back to the Lift all?

There are two hydraulic couplings that come off of the levers that I assume implements would attach too?

Now the BIG question. Can I remove the Liftall pump from the MD's belly with out having to separate the tractor in half? I have order manuals but it will be awhile before they arrive.

Thanks for your help and this forum.

Brad Whitty
'41 MD

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Haas

07-10-2001 14:41:52




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 Re: More MD questions in reply to Brad Whitty, 07-10-2001 10:22:11  
Don't understand your comment about the side pulley?? Are you talking about the belt pulley?? It is entirely separate from the Lift all. You do not need to split the tractor to remove the lift all. There is a cover plate under the tractor just behind it that is held by two bolts. Take that cover off and you can see the shaft coupling that drives the lift all pump. To get the lift all out, take out the three half inch pipes, one on the right and two on the left. They just screw out. Remove the operating lever by undoing the screw that holds in. Then you can remove the four bolts on the bottom that hold it up in there. BE CAREFUL!!! It weighs over 100 pounds. You need help to get it out, or replace the 3/8 inch bolts one at a time with 3/8 threaded rod and nuts and then jack it down with the nuts. You have to position the shaft coupling so the "cross" will slide out of the slots. The set up you have sounds like home made. For it to work, you have to lock the lift all lever in the lift position, then fluid flows through the spool valves mounted on the pedastal and returns to the fill port of the lift all. When you work the spool valves, fluid under pressure will be directed to your implement cylinder. If you do not have the lift all control rod in the lift position (all the way back) you will get nothing.

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Brad Whitty

07-10-2001 21:06:35




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 Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Haas, 07-10-2001 14:41:52  
Haas, Thanks for the great information. Yes, I am talking about the belt pulley that is missing from the tractor. Also, you mention about the two pipes on the left, one on the right, but what about the pipe that comes out on the bottom right by the access plate that is held by the two bolts you mentioned? The Lift all is that big item hanging out of the bottom of the belly, correct? There looks like a big hole in the side of the thing that I assume is where the belt pulley attaches?

Sure will be glad when those manuals arrive. Thanks again for the insight.

Brad

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Haas

07-11-2001 04:50:51




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 Re: Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Brad Whitty, 07-10-2001 21:06:35  
The belt pulley gear box is mounted on top of the transmission, immediately behind the lift all fill pipe and just in front of the battery box under the fuel tank. It sounds like your tractor does not have the belt pulley, or someone removed it. Is there a cover plate over the transmission just in front of the battery?? Don't know what the pipe hanging out of the access plate hole under the tractor could be. Must be some kind of add on. Also the hole in the right side??? What size is it and exactly where located?? Yes, the lift all hangs down under the belly of the tractor. It's held up in there with 4 size 3/8 inch bolts.

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Brad Whitty

07-11-2001 13:38:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Haas, 07-11-2001 04:50:51  
Thanks for the reply. Yes, there is a flat plate bolted just in front of the battery, on top of the transmission. There is no extra holes on the plate. That "extra" 1/2" pipe fitting comes out on the right side of the pump, at the bottom rear of the pump (5 o'clock postion)I see the 4 3/8" bolts holding the pump up in the belly of the MD.

I have one more question. I talked to "Quality Farm and Country" the other day in Iowa about their catalog listing for a wide front end that fits the M. I asked if it would fit the MD and he said yes. However, the front end does not come with the hub and rims. My MD has one wheel on the front, not two, like yours. Is it easy to find hubs and rims for this wide front if I ordered it? I live in the mountains on the Central Coast of California so the wide front is important. BTW, I was in the mountains of NC(Blowing Rock,NC) this time last year. I was born and raised in NC(New Bern). Are you located near the NC/Tenn state line?

Thanks again for the help,

Brad Whitty

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Haas More info

07-11-2001 18:03:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Brad Whitty, 07-11-2001 13:38:39  
Oh Yeah, forgot! I've been to New Bern, NC once on business a long time ago. I recall it is over in the eastern part of NC. I believe I visited a textile mill there. I live in Eastern Tennesse near Kingsport. Its about 50-60 miles to the NC border from where I live.



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Haas

07-11-2001 17:57:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Brad Whitty, 07-11-2001 13:38:39  
The hubs and rims should not be too hard to find. They would be the same for the narrow or wide front and the MD and the M are the same, so I would think you could find them at a salvage dealer. Since you have a flat plate bolted to the top of the transmission in front of the battery, you have no belt pulley. Either your tractor never had one, or someone removed it. If the tractor was ever used in tractor pulls, sometimes the belt pulley housing/gear box is removed to reduce weight. As to the pipe, only thing I can figure is someone put an extension on the drain hole of the lift all. My parts book says the drain is a 1/2 inch pipe plug. If the pipe is screwed into the bottom of the lift all, I guess that is the drain for the reservoir. I'm guessing the hole on the RH side of the clutch housing is for the lift all control arm. Is there a control arm on the RH side of the tractor with a rod that goes back up beside the steering wheel and is supported there by a bracket that is attached to the steering wheel support post?? If that is not there, the hole must be for the control arm. You should be able to see the end of the control shaft in there that has a tapped hole in the end and I believe a square recess for the control arm.

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Brad Whitty

07-12-2001 10:33:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Haas, 07-11-2001 17:57:29  
I do have the liftall control rod coming up from the right side to the steering wheel area. the hole I mentioned earlier is cast into the bottom right side of the lift all unit, about a foot below the lift all control arm. I need to double check the lower right pipe as you might be correct that someone added an extension to the drain hole. The cover plate where the belt pulley would go looks factory made, so I would think this tractor did not come with the pulley. guess it was "optional"? I have ordered a new battery box as it does not have one. I have our local goodyear tire guy looking for a 13.6-38 tire for the left rear as it is rotted badly.

Santa Maria, CA is a big agricultural town on the central coast of California. Top two money producers for the valley are Strawberries and Broccolli. Funny thing, I was in Blowing Rock, NC last summer in the grocery store, picked up a head of Broccolli, and it said Guadalupe, CA. That is the town next door to Santa Maria with the cooling plants. The trucks pick up loads and haul the products back east.

My dad worked for Weyerhauser of New Bern for 33 years. He now lives in Dunn, NC. My sister lives in Wake Forest and my mom still lives in New Bern. I miss those mountains back there, so I bought 10 acres here that are in the mountains which looks a lot like back there.

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Haas

07-12-2001 17:37:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Brad Whitty, 07-12-2001 10:33:16  
Although most Ms had the belt pulley, it was an option. If someone bought the tractor for a specific job (as I can see happening in california) they probably saved a few bucks and did not get a belt pulley. I'll have to look at my tractor, but I don't recall any hole in the RH side of the lift all. I believe the clutch housing has a hole that is tapped for a 3/4 inch bolt for mounting implements. What size is the hole??

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Ace Schrunk

07-10-2001 12:43:10




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 Re: More MD questions in reply to Brad Whitty, 07-10-2001 10:22:11  
You have a fill cap coming out right top of clutch a control lever out the right side and a 1/2" pipe, 2 1/2" pipes out the left a tin plate behind the pump with 2 screws and for screws to hold the pump



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GZediker

07-11-2001 14:54:46




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 Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Ace Schrunk, 07-10-2001 12:43:10  
Hey Ace, hard drive smoked lost your address. I have new address also.



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Brad Whitty

07-10-2001 21:12:53




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 Re: Re: More MD questions in reply to Ace Schrunk, 07-10-2001 12:43:10  
Ace, thanks for the information. As I mentioned to Haas, what about the other 1/2" pipe coming out of the right side beside the bottom access plate you both mentioned? Is that the return line?

Brad Whitty



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