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Oh Man! Something just happened to the H!?!

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1PWRFULH

08-20-2001 09:17:53




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OK I was out loading some cedar trees up onto the dump truck with the H today and I was kinda on the side of a hill and noticed some kinda squeek in the right wheel when going in reverse. Put it in forward and it just went right on so I figured everything was fine. Well I went travelin down the road to go to the garage and put her in 5th and noticed an awful growling! Almost like it pulls 2x as hard like something is dragging. Did not notice this in 1,2,3, or 4 gear. So I had to go down to the garage in 4th. When I got there I took the fluid level check out in the transmission and noticed nothing..dry. Aimed the tractor downhill and still nothing. What is going on here? I've never checked the transmission fluid or anything and its my fault. What I dont get is that I was only using 1st and 2nd gear to load the trees up. What is the deal? Im afraid to drive it. How much gear oil does she hold? The fluid level check is almost close to the brakes but down and to the left a little right? I hope it will be alright!? Thanks any info is welcome!

RC

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Michael Soldan

08-20-2001 17:01:19




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 Re: Oh Man! Something just happened to the H!?! in reply to 1PWRFULH, 08-20-2001 09:17:53  
1PWRFULH,I have just finished the second brake job on H's in the last five months. The job will go fairly smoothly as long as nothing is siezed. Remove the brake pans(covers) and undo the bolts holding the drums in place. Gently persuasion should slide them off. ( two screw drivers a small pry bar). Once slid off you have the main task of getting the old seals out. Some suggest drilling two small holes to insert metal screws but I don't like the idea of filings around the bearing. I use picking chisels and try to cave the seal housing in towards the centre and after chiseling and picking with the pliers you will get lucky and pull what is left of the seal out. be careful not to get into the bearing or burr the shaft. Wipe clean. Your new seals are about half the width of the old ones. Here is where I disagree with some fellow rebuilders. I replace with one new seal while some maintain that two are needed. I trust the new technology that goes into the seal, after all we are replacing felt and leather! The new seal can be placed so it misses the groove created by the old seal on the drum flange. My I-H dealer who has been at it for 60 years says to place the seal flush with the tractor and reassemble. Now I understand why guys figure two seals are a guarantee but these seals cost me over $30 a pair and I don't like doubling my repair cost. So far neither of my H's have shown any sign of leaks and my brakes slide the rear wheels. When you reassemble you brakes , loosen the jam nut at the bottom of the pan and turn the bolt in as far as it goes( it won't go all the way in..just in tight) and then turn it off 1\2 to 3\4 and tighten the jam nut. Your brakes are adjusted on the brake clevis on each side.Remove the pin at the top and turn the clevis shaft either in or out to make the adjustment Adjust so you have slightly more than an inch of pedal play. Also adjust so both pedals have the same tension at the same spot so they will work together and one not pull over the other That's about it for the brake seals and adjustment.There should be brass bushings on the brake band lever end ...they may be stuck in the tractor at any rate they should be there...so good luck with the seals and brakes from Mike in Exeter Ontario

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1PWRFULH

08-20-2001 15:28:13




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 Re: Oh Man! Something just happened to the H!?! in reply to 1PWRFULH, 08-20-2001 09:17:53  
Well I fixed it hopefully. 34 bucks later and a couple mins she shifts and runs smoother than ever! It took exactly 5 gallons before it came out of the plug. Everything seems to be ok. Before this happened and I didnt know I didnt have but a gallon of fluid it took a while to shift gears and they ground a little more. Now I can shift gears a couple seconds earlier. By the way, yes I am leaking a little around the brake covers. Is that a hard job to fix? Well Im glad it all turned out ok and even got to bale 61 bales today. Thanks!!!!

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The Red

08-21-2001 07:28:11




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 Re: Re: Oh Man! Something just happened to the H!?! in reply to 1PWRFULH, 08-20-2001 15:28:13  
Your bull cage seals are shot. You will have to remove the brake covers and the drums and you will see the seal. If original it is a double seal. I always replace the old one with two new ones on each side. The easiest way to get the old seal out is to drill two 3/8 inch holes next to each other in the old seal. The drill will go in about an inch and come to a stop. Then hammer in a chisel and begin to pry out the old seal. I then use offsett plyers to rip out the remainder of the seal.

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The Red

08-20-2001 09:33:23




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 Re: Oh Man! Something just happened to the H!?! in reply to 1PWRFULH, 08-20-2001 09:17:53  
Sounds like you are way too low on 90W. It holds 6 gallons. At this point it might be wise to drain what is left and see how much drains out. There is a front plug also under the liftall inspection plate. I also loosen up the 3 bolts on the flat belt pulley end and tap the pulley out about 1/4 inch. You will get about 1/2 guart of 90W. and WATER. When you refill, leave a quart or so to place in the filler hole on the flat belt pulley. The excess will pour back into the transmission.

Are you leaking 90W around the brake covers?

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Andy Martin

08-20-2001 09:32:00




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 Re: Oh Man! Something just happened to the H!?! in reply to 1PWRFULH, 08-20-2001 09:17:53  
After you put fluid in, pull the brake covers. It sounds like you may have had a brake come loose and is dragging.

Empty to full is 6 gallons of gear grease, but you'll probably show full before you get 5 gallons in. I'd use 90w.

It will be all right even if you get to change out some bearings and gears.

If you like, pull off the belt pulley or blanking plate and see what the gears look like. If they are blue and chewed up, all right will take a little money.

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