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Brian

09-15-2001 21:07:39




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I am currently working on restoring a 1949 Farmall Super that had been left out for a couple of years. The tractor belonged to my grandfather, and was used for light duty around the homestead. After getting the motor unstuck a couple of months ago I installed a tune up kit and fired it up ( I was able to move it back inside where it belongs). However, I immediately found some problems ( the engine was "backfiring or "popping" through the carb) and therefore I started to tear it down. Having taking the head off, the pistons out and the front and middle main bearings off (lower half), I have found all kinds of bad things. The valves were terrible, the seats the same, the rings are worn and there is about .080 to .200" between the pistons and the cylinders ( I think the thing has been bored once already). In addition, the connecting rod bushings (piston pin) are really worn, and I can move the crankshaft up and down about .030" in the main bearing at the front of the motor.

So, my work is cut out for me and I know I'm going to have to start sinking money into it. I've been talking with the local Case International dealer, they've been very helpful, but it's going to cost a fortune to get the parts through them ( i.e. $340.00 for each piston & sleeve assembly). I have seen on the internet some sites having engine rebuild kits for about $500.oo US. These kits include pistons, rings, sleeves, valves, springs and all bearings. They are a 3 1/8" bore instead of the 3".
So what I would like to know from anyone is if you have any experience rebuilding these, where you get your parts and what you think of the aftermarket kits you can get from the states.

Thanks Brian Carter

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Willie

09-17-2001 16:01:15




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 Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian, 09-15-2001 21:07:39  
That A is a slow speed engine and the quality of the aftermarket parts are just as good so you should never have a problem. I rebuilt my A about 15 years ago and it runs like a top still today and that is even after it went under the 1993 flood. I puchased my parts from an Automobile Engine Rebuilers Supply house. It was over half the price of Case IH.



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gene b

09-16-2001 20:46:33




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 Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian, 09-15-2001 21:07:39  
you can get new sleeves pistons bngs and gaskets for 350 grind the crank for 60 do the head and you have a new engine check around prices vary those are wet sleeves are easy replaced your engine probably wasnt bored should not be that many dummys that would bore a wet sleeve then put new pistons in



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Rick (MN)

09-16-2001 08:41:41




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 Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian, 09-15-2001 21:07:39  
Always amazes me how at times CASE/IH can come in at either surprisingly high or low prices. A good aftermarket overhaul kits will serve your purposes just fine. Be sure to take all measurements. Kinda sounds as if this engine was patched together at some point. With that kind of slop between sleeves and pistons, it's fortunate that it did'nt come apart and really break things. You are starting what may one of the more rewarding projects a person can do. Good Luck. Rick

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REDM

09-16-2001 07:37:18




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 Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian, 09-15-2001 21:07:39  
Carter and Gruenwald Phone 608-455-1815 lists OEM piston and sleeve set for super A part# 374338R93 for $133.50 per cylinder.



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Brian ( Originator of Question)

09-16-2001 08:33:11




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 Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to REDM, 09-16-2001 07:37:18  
Thanks for the responses guys, I really appreciate them.

I am curious though, should there be a huge difference in price between buying original Case/IH parts, to what I assume are "aftermarket" components from places like yesteryears tractors ?
Also, what about quality ? I don't plan on ever really using this tractor for much more than mowing and snow removal.

Another thing that has been on my mind is trying to keep the original pistons. The pistons are the original cast ( 3" ), I think the sleeves were bored already and my thoughts are that there is way way to much clearence.

I think it is also worth mentioning again that the bearings in the front bearing seems to shot, and the pin busings in the connecting rod/piston are shot, especially in the first cylinder where that bearing is worn on the crank.

Thanks again guys, I'm looking forward to getting this tractor running well.

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REDM

09-16-2001 08:53:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian ( Originator of Question), 09-16-2001 08:33:11  
The Carter and Gruenwald parts are Case/IH parts.



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REDM

09-16-2001 08:50:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian ( Originator of Question), 09-16-2001 08:33:11  
The Carter and Gruenwald parts are Case/IH parts.



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Brian ( Originator of Question)

09-16-2001 08:33:07




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 Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to REDM, 09-16-2001 07:37:18  
Thanks for the responses guys, I really appreciate them.

I am curious though, should there be a huge difference in price between buying original Case/IH parts, to what I assume are "aftermarket" components from places like yesteryears tractors ?
Also, what about quality ? I don't plan on ever really using this tractor for much more than mowing and snow removal.

Another thing that has been on my mind is trying to keep the original pistons. The pistons are the original cast ( 3" ), I think the sleeves were bored already and my thoughts are that there is way way to much clearence.

I think it is also worth mentioning again that the bearings in the front bearing seems to shot, and the pin busings in the connecting rod/piston are shot, especially in the first cylinder where that bearing is worn on the crank.

Thanks again guys, I'm looking forward to getting this tractor running well.

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Brian ( Originator of Question)

09-16-2001 08:33:08




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 Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to REDM, 09-16-2001 07:37:18  
Thanks for the responses guys, I really appreciate them.

I am curious though, should there be a huge difference in price between buying original Case/IH parts, to what I assume are "aftermarket" components from places like yesteryears tractors ?
Also, what about quality ? I don't plan on ever really using this tractor for much more than mowing and snow removal.

Another thing that has been on my mind is trying to keep the original pistons. The pistons are the original cast ( 3" ), I think the sleeves were bored already and my thoughts are that there is way way to much clearence.

I think it is also worth mentioning again that the bearings in the front bearing seems to shot, and the pin busings in the connecting rod/piston are shot, especially in the first cylinder where that bearing is worn on the crank.

Thanks again guys, I'm looking forward to getting this tractor running well.

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Brian ( Originator of Question)

09-16-2001 08:30:59




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 Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to REDM, 09-16-2001 07:37:18  
Thanks for the responses guys, I really appreciate them.

I am curious though, should there be a huge difference in price between buying original Case/IH parts, to what I assume are "aftermarket" components from places like yesteryears tractors ?
Also, what about quality ? I don't plan on ever really using this tractor for much more than mowing and snow removal.

Another thing that has been on my mind is trying to keep the original pistons. The pistons are the original cast ( 3" ), I think the sleeves were bored already and my thoughts are that there is way way to much clearence.

I think it is also worth mentioning again that the bearings in the front bearing seems to shot, and the pin busings in the connecting rod/piston are shot, especially in the first cylinder where that bearing is worn on the crank.

Thanks again guys, I'm looking forward to getting this tractor running well.

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Bill

09-16-2001 05:51:25




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 Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Brian, 09-15-2001 21:07:39  
Yesterdays tractor on line store list a rebuild kit for $525-550. This includes all parts and gaskets. Sounds like a good deal. Before you buy the kit check the crankshaft for bearing size, roundness and scoring. If you live near a big city you may have a local company that grinds them, and their price should include the bearings. About 30 years ago I rebuilt my A using the fire crater kit from International and the tractor is still running strong. Now it is mostly used to cut the lawn. The wife does a great job with it and it keeps her happy.

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gene b

09-17-2001 19:23:24




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 Re: Re: Tired Farmall A in reply to Bill, 09-16-2001 05:51:25  
why is 525 a good deal when there is a better kit for 325 or does the name CONFORMATIC mean not good stuff



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