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Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V

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Bob/Maine

01-17-2002 21:11:29




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Hi, I am wondering if there is any advantage of using a 12V spark plug verses a 6V spark plug. I know that the 12V plugs don't burn the electrods as fast but, does one have a better detonation than the other? Thank you.
Bob




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gene b

01-18-2002 18:09:58




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 Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob/Maine, 01-17-2002 21:11:29  
where do you see a list for 6v or 12v plugs



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my 1020 do not what to think now

01-18-2002 13:44:20




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 Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob/Maine, 01-17-2002 21:11:29  
poor tractor feels left out, mag fired, crank start- do not know what to do know



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Larry

01-17-2002 21:33:48




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 Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob/Maine, 01-17-2002 21:11:29  
Gotta plead ignorant on this one..I was not aware there was such a thing as 6 volt spark plug. Who makes one and how do you tell?



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vern

01-17-2002 22:41:07




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 Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Larry, 01-17-2002 21:33:48  
6v or 12v or 24v system---the coil sends the same voltage to the plug-----that is what the little square porcelin unit is on many coils---if you have a 12 volt system but a 6 volt coil (as on my 504) the porcelin unit shunts some of the voltage so the coil only receives 6v

not sure about magnetos---never worked with one



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Larry

01-17-2002 23:43:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to vern, 01-17-2002 22:41:07  
I agree..I'm familiar with the ignition ballast resistor to drop the voltage in 12v/6v systems. I have never heard of an actual 6 volt spark plug. Heat range and spark plug design will have more to do with electrode wear and complete air/fuel combustion I would think. I've read that the v-shaped plug electrodes supposedly give a better flame kernel for more complete combustion although in a 50 year old farm tractor I'm not sure it makes a great deal of difference.

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Bob/Maine

01-18-2002 04:58:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Larry, 01-17-2002 23:43:19  
Hi again, OK I am guilty of not knowing what I am talking about. Or at least explaining myself. With a 6V system you have a coil that gives less voltage, may be around 30,000 volts. A 12V system you have a coil that is around 45,000 volts. The spark plug gap on a 6V system would be around .025 as on a 12V system the gap would be around .035. Thanks for your comments! I had a good laugh when I read what I had tried to explain.
Bob

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Bob M

01-18-2002 06:57:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob/Maine, 01-18-2002 04:58:43  
Hi Bob - Output voltage of an ignition coil is a function of the coil turns ratio, the amps flowing in the primary at the instant BEFORE the points open, and upon the rate of collapse of the primary current the instant AFTER the points open (dI/dT for you EE's...). Consequently the open circuit voltage of any coil (6 or 12 volt) will be somewhere between about 15 and 35 kv or so. Electronic or HEI systems will run higher - up to 50 kv.

However the maximum voltage actually generated by the coil and "seen" by the spark plugs is a function only of the electrode gap distance and of the nature (pressure, temperature and composition) of the gases in the gap. This is because once the gases in the gap ionize and the spark begins, the spark path is essentially short circuit across the electrode gap - very little resistance, hence a very small voltage drop.

Bottom line: Doesn't matter if your electrical system is 6, 12, 24 or 28, or even 0 volts (magneto) - the spark plugs won't know the difference. You use the same plug, and expect to see the same performance and plug life regardless of system voltage!

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Bob/Maine

01-18-2002 08:43:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob M, 01-18-2002 06:57:06  
Hi Bob, Thanks! I thought that there was more current burn with the 6V system and that the plugs didn't last as long and 12V system more voltage less current, was wondering if there was any advantages or disadvantges?
Bob



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Bob M

01-18-2002 10:22:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob/Maine, 01-18-2002 08:43:56  
Bob - Plugs see the same voltage and current regardless of the coil primary voltage. So while a 6 volt coil draws twice the primary current of a 12 V, the output current/voltage of both coils is the same. Hence plug life is independent of coil voltage.

Regarding advantages of 12 V has over 6 V is 12 V, the only advantage 12 V has is it lets you use a 6 volt coil with a ballast resistor. Then by arranging the starter switch so it bypasses the resistor while the engine is cranking, you develop an extra hot spark, just when it's needed most (since you are now feeding the 6 V coil 9 or 10 volts during the cranking cycle). This offers no advantage to a low compression tractor motor. However the ballast resistor setup was necessary to insure reliable starting of the high compression automobiles of the late 50's/early 60's. These motors required a lot of battery power to crank, and also needed an extra hot spark to fire the highly compressed fuel/air mixture.

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Bob/Maine

01-18-2002 11:24:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob M, 01-18-2002 10:22:06  
Hi Bob, Thanks again! I was always one of those why kids growing up. It was the only way I learn answers to question concerning theory of operation of whatever. I think there were some kids that didn't want to think about things , and how they worked.
Bob



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Leroy

01-18-2002 05:32:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spark Plugs 6 V verses 12V in reply to Bob/Maine, 01-18-2002 04:58:43  
John Deere on 6 volt B or 12 volt A same plug, same gap, no difference



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