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6 to 12 volt conversion for 54 H

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bernard

04-10-1999 19:29:45




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I would be very thankful if someone could send me a conversion diagram . I have a GM alternaltor the bracket on the tractor and a condensor. thanks




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Sandy

04-11-1999 19:07:10




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion for 54 H in reply to bernard , 04-10-1999 19:29:45  
I read with great interest your desire to convert 6 to 12 volt. I did that on the Super C that I take to tractor shows. I wanted a tractor that I could depend upon to start consistantly, however I wanted to retain the original look as much as possible. I accomplished this and am extremely pleased! I wrote specific details and directions in an article for Red Power magazine Sept - Oct 1997. The old Farmalls use the same basic electric system and this conversion can be used on all of them, A, B, C, H & M. All parts can be purchased from a CaseIH dealer. If you can not find the parts you need locally you can get them from Fergus International in Fergus Falls Minnesota. fergint@prairietech.net The only mistake in the article is that you must at the end of the installation touch the battery tab to the gen tab on the regulator with a wire. I now have a tractor that starts every time consistantly. Feel free to contact me with questions.

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RK Smith

04-11-1999 04:53:53




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion for 54 H in reply to bernard , 04-10-1999 19:29:45  
If you have a distributor, the condenser is not part of the conversion. For good measure, you probably should put new points and a condenser on either before or after the conversion. If you are saying that you have the alternator "ready to mount on the tractor," then first you have to know if it is internally regulated or not. If not, you will have to have a voltage regulator, and you will probably have to convert the system from "pos" ground (pos side of battery grounded to starter mounting bolt on chassis) to "neg" ground. This is because your replacement alternator is probably "neg" grounded through the case and it won't work on a pos system. I can't tell you if your alternator is internally regulated, but Sherll@rollanet.org can, if you send him all the markings and numbers off the alternator. He will send you a diagram if you ask. Don't be afraid about reversing the leads on the starter by changing the polarity. The starter will still turn the same way because you are reversing the current in "both" the armature and field circuits. Your starter is probably the old original 6V or a replacement, and it won't hurt it to use 12V, just spins it like a devil. So, the pos post of battery should be wired to the starter relay, and the neg post of battery to the starter mounting bolt. Then, obviously, the lead from the other side of the starter relay goes to the "hot" or "now positive" side of the starter(the terminal on top of the starter). Now, check that the distributor leads to the neg side of the coil, and the pos side of the coil leads to a ballast resistor (a little coil in a porcelain mount) and that leads to the pull-ignition switch (or a place where switched "now positive" voltage is derived). If is is already that way, don't change it, since the coil is not polarity sensitive, and you will only be leaving it the way it should be anyway. That circuit only charges the primary winding of the coil, so that it will discharge through the secondary, with high voltage spark happening at the plug. When you're set like above, **before you make the alternator connections**, put the alternator on the tractor and connect the belt, and tighten it correctly. Then "start" the tractor and make sure it runs OK. When you are satisfied, then all you will have to do is connect the alternator and that depends on whether it is self regulated or you will need a voltage regulator. If it is self regulated, you will only need one approx 10 gage wire run to the dead side of the pull-switch from the terminal marked "BAT" on the alternator. If it needs an external voltage regulator, then you will need that one wire in the previous sentence and a wire run from the "field" clip on the alternator to a new voltage regulator "field screw" and then a wire from the "ign" clip on the voltage regulator to the "dead side" of the pull-switch. You may need to reverse the leads on the ammeter, if you have one and it is hooked up, because it may show the opposites (discharge for charge, etc.) Anyway, the ammeter should be in "series" to the battery with the line that runs from the alternator "BAT" to the switch. That's all. If you will put all the numbers and markings from your alternator in a post, I will see if it matches my alternator. I just did this on mine. Good luck, RKS

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RK Smith

04-11-1999 08:24:26




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 Re: Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion for 54 H in reply to RK Smith, 04-11-1999 04:53:53  
One last thing - you don't have to change the cables *except* on the battery. You can just remove the cables from the battery, pick it up and turn it around in the tray, and then reconnect the cables. If you think about it, that is more normal than crossing (X'ing) the cables over the battery, cause you see they designed it so that the "neg" terminal was closest to the starter relay, but now you need the "pos" closest, so just flip-flop it. But be careful, since you may have the terminals more "under" the gas tank and a little harder to work on. If you accidentally connect "wrench and tank" on the pos terminal after you ground the neg terminal, we may not get a chance to find out how you did!! And before you flip-flop the battery, make sure that only the "ignition system" is connected, and not any other accessories designed for pos ground, which you will "fry," and if they carry a large enough load, might fry "you". You will have just completed the change to a "neg" grounding system. Also, after this is complete, be sure and pull the starter to look at the starter drive gears. You are fixing to start "hammering" them with a big amp 12v battery, and it will really zip the engine over. If the gears are worn, you could end up with damage to the ring gear on the flywheel. That would mean a "tear down" just for yuks. Take the starter off, and with switch "off offf offfff!!!!!" put the tractor in 5th gear, and rock it forward gently. This will slowly rotate the engine so you can observe the ring gear through the starter mounting hole for condition. I suspect it is ok, but will be worn more in certain areas of the circle, because of the way the tractor "likes" to stop at favorite places in compression. If the starter drive gear teeth are broken, or badly worn, a new drive is about $50 and it takes about 10 minutes to replace it. Just be careful and not damage the "brushes." If you can redo about as good as you can undo, this is a small easy job. RKS

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RK Smith

04-11-1999 05:11:14




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 Re: Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion for 54 H in reply to RK Smith, 04-11-1999 04:53:53  
In fact, if your tractor runs well now, **don't** monkey with the ignition points, condenser, etc. until you have completed the conversion. I assume you had a generator, so remove the old wires, and if there is a fuse in the old "regulator" in the box with the ammeter (on the steering support post), then pull the fuse out and leave the guts there. Actually, if that thing worked, you may want to preserve it. You never know when you may want to go back to original.

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