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51 H Battery Recharge

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B2187101

03-12-2007 10:50:24




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I have a 51 H in very good condition. When bought it last November the battery was strong and it started great. Over the winter a problem developed with the carbs flooding and it wouldn't start (repeated attempts at trying to start it drained the battery). My guess is that either a float is stuck or (what I think) the fuel shut off is not shutting off. My real question: I have the top of the battery box off- where do I put the 6V battery charge leads? How long to let it charge? The battery is still hooked up and all points are shiney and very clean so I assume that battery is OK.

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Roger Mills

03-12-2007 17:31:21




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to B2187101, 03-12-2007 10:50:24  
If the battery is rated at 500 AMP/Hours it means one amp for 500 hours, 10 amps for 50 hours, you never get all of that though. This applies to charging as well, ie time is based on battery rating, remaining charge and charger amps. Lead acid batteries are charged in autos at rates up to a max of about 100 amps from large alternators when nearly dead BUT--that is the initial charge rate from a constant voltage source and it tapers off as the battery charge comes up. Generator based systems have current regulators or limiting resistors in the field to keep from burning up the generator when the battery is real low. External chargers are always + to + and it makes no difference which one is ground. It is best to disconnect the NON grounded terminal and hook the charger direct to the battery-less chance of shorting something out. The other posts on watching the cells and keeping an eye on things are right on--charging a lead acid battery generates hydrogen gas and you should turn off the charger and let everything sit for a few minutes before disconnecting the charger--point is--NO SPARKS.

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John T

03-12-2007 12:04:01




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to B2187101, 03-12-2007 10:50:24  
My answer at least to your question of "How Long' to leave a battery charger on is IT DEPENDS.

1) If its a cheap older (dumb) very low charge rate charger, it may well take several hours to bring an otherwise good but discharged battery up to charge and theres a lesser chance of accidental overcharge if its only a low amp charger.

2) If its a late model "smart charger" the time required to charge still depends on its size n charge rate HOWEVER theres less chance of accidental overcharge since they better automatically decrease charge rate once the battery is charged up (maintenace float)

3) If its a big honkin older style high amp capacity charger/booster and youre on the higher charge rate, she can charge fast buttttt tt I wouldnt leave it on indefinitely cuz it can more likely acidentally overcharge and/or outgas n boil over the battery.

If the vent caps are off and shes in a safe place where the gasses cant accumulate and all the cells are bubbling n acting the same with no gray or milky color and you monitor her (all 3 cells) using a battery hydrometer like Hal or Jim posted youre doin most of the RIGHT N SAFE things. As posted its still + to + and - to - from charger to battery regardless which battery post is tied to a huge hunk of tractor iron (i.e. Pos or Neg ground) and its best to make say the frame/ground connection (if battery still in tracotr and grounded) last and like somewhere on the tractors iron frame away from the battery so the sparks created arent near the battery and its source of explosive gasses.

Keep safe n yall take care now

John T

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El Toro

03-12-2007 11:18:45




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to B2187101, 03-12-2007 10:50:24  
You need to disconnect the + positve ground cable
from the battery to connect the charger as I suggested. Hal



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El Toro

03-12-2007 11:00:39




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to B2187101, 03-12-2007 10:50:24  
Hook the red lead to the positive battery terminal and the black to the negative post.

I would leave the charger on all night. It will automatically decrease the charging rate as the battery is being charged. A good to check the battery's state of charge is to measure the specific gravity of each cell. They should be at 1.250 or better and each cell reading close to one another. Hal



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Janicholson

03-12-2007 10:57:30




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to B2187101, 03-12-2007 10:50:24  
Assuming a positive ground stock system (check to see that the Neg battery post is connected to the starter switch, if so it is normel.
To avoid sparks at the battery connect away from the battery as follows:
Negative on the Starter switch (the larger post connected to the battery cable) to negative (black on charger) Positive to ground on the tractor. JimN



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james braley

03-12-2007 14:26:09




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to Janicholson, 03-12-2007 10:57:30  
I have a m and it has the negitive grounded is this normal? will it afect me turning it to 12 volt? it still in six volt



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Janicholson

03-12-2007 20:28:49




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 Re: 51 H Battery Recharge in reply to james braley, 03-12-2007 14:26:09  
It is normal, and no issue to change the polarity to Neg ground with a alternator. The coil small terminal to the distributor should match the battery ground polarity.
The Bob M wiring diagrams Link below are the ticket.
Also look in the Jimer post below for a pic of alternator to use. Many posts on Alternator conversions are on this site.
If you have problems just ask.

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