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MichaelRichard

04-11-2007 07:24:03




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I inherited a 1960 Cub Lo-Boy. How do I check the coil to see that its working. 6 volt. I have new battery, lots of crank, no spark !




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A. Bohemian

04-11-2007 10:27:21




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 But First... in reply to MichaelRichard, 04-11-2007 07:24:03  
Good job spotting that VW coil, Bob!

Michael, if money is not an object, go to your Case dealer and get a nice, new six volt coil. Nothing like it on the market I know of.

While you're there, purchase or order a copy of the Owner's Manual. Get a copy of the IT IH-8 manual, too - they'll have that in stock.

If you already know how to use the ammeter on your dashboard, disregard the balance of this post and have a nice day.

The problem is not likely to be the coil. In thirty years of working with Kettering systems I've never seen a bad coil!

A couple of times I thought I did, but it always turned out to be an imtermittent problem caused by something else that co-incidently happened to take a break when I replaced the coil.

They DO go bad. And, I've heard quite a bit more anecdotal evidence about bad VW coils than any other kind.

Even so, I usually troubleshoot them by replacement. That way I always have a spare!

I think, though, replacing the coil won't change anything. In which case, every tractor operator should know how to do the following; the procedure is basically the same for an astounding number of these tractors.

Turn on the ignition without cranking. Ammeter should show approx. 4 amps discharge with good battery.

No discharge? Check the points and make sure they are closed. They almost certainly are; if not close them and check again.

Still no discharge? Something is open somewhere.

Normal discharge? Good.

Now, shut off the ignition. Disable the engine so it cannot start. I usually pull all the spark wires, being INSANELY careful to tag them correctly so I can put them back in the proper firing order.

(Later, when you've got experience, you'll be able to spot the correct ammeter action without unhooking anything.)

Switch on the ignition and crank the engine. You should see the ammeter discharge flicker to zero as the points open, and then jump right back as they close.

No flicker? points are not opening, or something else is shorted somewhere.

Good luck and keep us posted. DO read the owners manual!!!!!

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A. Bohemian

04-11-2007 10:34:34




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 Erroratum in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-11-2007 10:27:21  
Sorry. Pulling the spark wires is from a different procedure.

I've been working on my taxes, see, and I'm not fully conscious right now...

For checking the points with the dashboard ammeter it is only necessary to pull the center wire to the coil.

Pulling all the spark wires is unnecessary and can cause confusion.



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John T

04-11-2007 10:09:16




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to MichaelRichard, 04-11-2007 07:24:03  
This is wayyyyy yyyyy more then you need but it saves a ton of time for me to copy n paste. Check easy simple things FIRST like voltage getting to the coils input (NOT to distributor) terminal when the ignition is ON and then clean/buff/polish (or replace if badly burned or pitted) n gap the points n try a new condensor if in doubt. If theres no voltage to the coil HOT WIRE voltage to its input in case the switch is bad. The coil can be tested independant of any cap or distributor or rotor problems (see below) by having voltage on its input then make n break its output terminal (that usually wires to distributor) to frame ground and its high voltage output lead (removed from distributor cap) ought to throw a 3/16 inch gap high voltage spark??


TROUBLESHOOTING A BATTERY POWERED EXTERNAL COIL TYPE IGNITION SYSTEM:

PRELIMINARY CHECKS:

(A) To see if it happens to be a cap n rotor problem and to see if at least the coil is firing, remove the coil wire from the distributor (leave coil end intact) and place its bare end to within 1/8 inch from tractor iron, turn her on n crank her over, and see if she jumps that gap with a good visible blue spark????? If so but the plug wire ends (from wire end to 1/8 inch to frame) or the plugs themselves don’t fire, its a cap n rotor or plug wire problem. If the coil wire isnt even sparking, see below.

(B) Next open the cap and see that the points are gapped correct and indeed opening and closing as the engine is cranked and the distributor shaft rotates and MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT BURNED OR PITTED OR CARBONED UP BADLY !!!!! !!!!! If so, running a point file between them to clean them up might make her run again HOWEVER that’s only a temporary cure, so if that cleaning makes her spark, INSTALL N GAP NEW POINTS. In the event they appear good but only gray oxide coated, non abrasively clean/buff/polish them using say a dollar bill or shop cloth etc. and see what happens.

MORE TROUBLESHOOTING IF ALL THE ABOVE STILL FAILS TO MAKE HER SPARK

1) THE VERY FIRST THING YOU GOTTA HAVE is voltage to be present on the coils high supply (NOT to distributor) terminal when you turn the Ignition switch ON. If not she cant ever fire, but in the event the ignition switch or circuit/wire down to the coil or any Ballast Resistor is bad or open, you can HOT WIRE it by jumping a hot ungrounded battery voltage source to the coils high input supply (NOT to distributor) side n see if she runs then???? If she fires hot wired, you could have a bad ignition switch ((That can happen, when Ignition is on, the switches IGN terminal must turn hot)),,,,, ,or an open Ballast (if it has one) or a bad/open wire from switch to coil.

If the switch is good, if you turn the ignition switch on and place a test lamp on the coils high (NOT to distributor) terminal SHE MUST LIGHT UP. If not again, look for an open Ballast Resistor (if it has one, it should read around 1.25 to 2 ohms across its terminals) or bad/open wires from the switches IGN output down to the Ballast (if it has one) and distributor.

2a) When the Ignition switch is turned on, voltage should appear on the coils high input side. That would be 6 volts on a straight 6 volt system or 12 volts on a 12 volt non external ballasted system, or around 6 volts on a 12 volt system that used a 6 volt coil plus an external Ballast Resistor and the coil is good and the points are closed and they and ALL wiring is good.

2b) To insure the coils low voltage primary winding is not bad/open, use an ohmmeter and measure its DC resistance between its lil + and -terminals. If its an open circuit (no continuity) its bad/open and will NOT work. It should measure around 1.25 to 2 ohms or so if its a 6 volt coil and maybe 2.5 to 3.5 if its a 12 volt internally ballasted coil. NOTE CAUTION have all leads and any voltage source DISCONNECTED FROM the coil for this simple primary winding continuity test. 3) Next, place your voltmeter or test lamp over on the coils other low to distributor terminal side, turn her on and crank the engine over.

4) A test lamp there should flash ON (when points are open) and OFF (when points are closed) as the engine is cranked slowly.

5a) If the lamp never comes on there, the coils primary is bad/open,,,,, ,,,,or the points are never opening,,,,, ,,,or theres a shorted/bad condensor (remove its lead to points and see if lamp comes on, if so, bad shorted condensor or its wiring),,,,, ,,or the points wire is shorted,,,,, ,,or the distributors side pass thru stud is grounded (use ohm meter to test that),,,,, ,,,or the points may have a shorted spring.

5b) If the lamp never goes off as engines cranked, the points are not closing or are bad,,,,, ,,or the wire or circuit is missing from the distributor to the points,,,,,or the distributors not well grounded to the tractor.

She cant fire the coil unless its low side is getting a conductive ground return path via closed points and then the circuit is open when the points open.

Be sure the condensor or its wiring is NOT shorted out and see if the lite comes on (when points open) with the condensor disconnected. If removing the condensor makes her spark, replace the condensor.

SUMMARY

Be sure the points are closing fully and open on high cam and ARE NOT BURNED OR PITTED OR CARBONED UP BADLY,,,,, ,theres voltage present on distributors high side at all times when ignitions on (or its a bad switch or open ballast or bad wiring to col),,,,, ,voltage on coils low side flashes on and off as distributor is cranked,,,,, ,,,condensors not bad/shorted,,,,, ,,no shorts in wires to points and no shorts in pass thru side out distributor stud,,,,, ,,coil has continuituy.

You may luck out n just need a new set of points. If the coil wire fires (see above) and the plug wire ends to 1/8 from frame but NOT the plugs, they are baddddd ddddd . Check them BOTH.

Good Luck n God Bless, post back any questions and your findings and any questions.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer who usually lurks over on the Mother Deere boards versus over here on the “dark side”.

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Janicholson

04-11-2007 07:47:12




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to MichaelRichard, 04-11-2007 07:24:03  
Rusty is correct, points setting is .020" on the high point of the dist cam. Manuals are available (left on this site) on Ebay, at Binder's Books, or the dealer. Service and Owners are nice to have. CaseIH website has an online parts listing that is free. JimN



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2007 07:32:36




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to MichaelRichard, 04-11-2007 07:24:03  
Probably the ignition contact points are dirty. Probably would be a good idea to buy a tune-up kit and replace the old points.



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MichaelRichard

04-11-2007 07:49:32




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-11-2007 07:32:36  
Thanks, I"ll do it. But I still would like advise on checking a coil. I have meter. Do I check posts with or without cranking. and to confirm all is well. No pos. or neg. is marked on old coil, just " 15" and " 1 "...which is which, and which one goes to distributor ? Thanks in advance for assistance.



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Bob

04-11-2007 08:29:01




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to MichaelRichard, 04-11-2007 07:49:32  
Got that covered for you!

Someone has installed a Bosch coil, such as would be used on a Volkswagen.

Those silly Krauts, never being known for making things simple, mark their coils like this:

(+) = "15" on the Bosch coil

(-) = "1" on the Bosch coil

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If your tractor is (+) ground:

Power from ignition switch to coil (-) "1" terminal.

Coil (+) "15" terminal to distributor.

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If your tractor is (-) ground:

Power from ignition switch to coil (+) "15" terminal.

Coil (-) "1" terminal to distributor.


Hope this helps!

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MichaelRichard

04-11-2007 08:46:53




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to Bob, 04-11-2007 08:29:01  
Hey Bob...
...Thanks much. My step-father-in-law, where I received tractor, was the first VW dealer in Indiana. And quite an overall motorhead. No doubt, all his other toys, including tractors and racecars, adapted German parts where he could. Got any tips on how to check coil,..if it works ?



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Bob

04-11-2007 09:03:42




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 Re: 6 volt coil in reply to MichaelRichard, 04-11-2007 08:46:53  
That's FUNNY... how that turned out... your step F-I-L being a Volks dealer makes the story complete! I never was a Volks nut, just work on a couple to this day for customers from time to time.

The simplest test (without having a coil tester)... connect it up as shown, make sure the breaker points are clean and set properly, and you should have spark!

If you don't, post back for troubleshooting tips.

JohnT has a "chart" typed up he responds with, or myself or someone else can give you some ideas, if needed.

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