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1944 M start problem

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Brad in WA

05-18-2007 19:25:23




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The 6 volt M started with the help of a charger hooked to it. I thought a new battery might help.
The new battery just maks a short noise . . then nothing. What could be the problem? Not enough cranking power? Maybe it needs an Optima?
Any ideas? Thanks




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John T

05-19-2007 06:19:01




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 Re: 1944 M start problem in reply to Brad in WA, 05-18-2007 19:25:23  
Brad, My advice is along the lines as Jim N's good suggestions, just another approach. The FIRST thing I suspect is a bad connection which would could be at any of several places, namely: A battery post connection,,,,, ,a frame ground connection,,,,, ,,a starter switch or the starter post connection. I would remove, clean n wire brush, n reattach each n every switch n starter n battery n ground conenction FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. If the ground cable is atatched to any thin or rusty sheet metal, try a clean soil frame bolt elsewhere for the batterys ground cable.

Trouble is some battery n ground cables might look good to the eye but have carbon from arcing built up underneath where you cant see it.

The try her and if the battery voltage drops drastically and/or the lights go wayyyyy yyy down when you try n start her I suspect the starter is bad or else mechanically stuck/jammed into the flywheel like Jim mentioned. If the starter has that classic hot electrical burned smell, that may well be the problem.

HOWEVER if all the cables n grounds n connections are okay and the starters NOT stuck and the lights dont hardly dim or battery voltage drop when you try n crank her, I suspect the starter switch is bad n all burned n carboned inside. Its been too long since I owned M's but if the switch is bad see if its possible to by pass jump around it using a jumper cable from the hot ungrounded battery post or the battery side of the starter switch direct to the starter (if its physically possible to get there) n see if she cranks then. If she crank when you by pass jump around the starter switch, the switch is the problem.

I gotta go with a bad cable or connection or ground first thing,,,,, ,,,, then a bad starter switch if all else is okay n the starters not mechanically jammed/stuck into the flywheel which Jim told ya how to cure.

If its NOT a cable or connection or switch problem and the lights dont dim much when cranking and the starters NOT hot smelling, Id suspect the starter brushes may be worn down which aint all that hard or expensive to fix. If it draws excess current (lights dim badly) n smells hot teh armature may be dragging cuz of worn bushings (expensive fix if armature shot)

I like 00 gauge cables on 6 volt systems and a big super duty high rated battery

let us know

John T

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Andy Motteberg

05-18-2007 22:11:46




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 Re: 1944 M start problem in reply to Brad in WA, 05-18-2007 19:25:23  
Does it have the magneto or distributor ignition? If it has a distributor, you should convert it to a 12 volt system by adding a resistor to the ignition.



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Janicholson

05-18-2007 19:48:49




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 Re: 1944 M start problem in reply to Brad in WA, 05-18-2007 19:25:23  
There are two real possible causes, If the lights work, turn them on then watch them while trying to crank it for two seconds. If the lights dim way down, the starter is probably jambed. Put the tractor in high gear, Ignition switch off, and rock the rear tires forward and back with extreme serious effort. Listen for a click sound from the starter and watch to see if the fan wiggles forward and back. If the click happens, and the fan now moves, the engine will probably start now. It needs a new starter drive (use CaseIH replacement clutch type drive, it is much better)
If it was already loose (no click, and it does have fan movement) the starter may be shorted internally, or locked up. Pull it out and floor test it (put your foot on it, it will try to get away. If it spins slowly, it needs to be rebuilt.

If the lights do not dim, the starter may be open. Hit the end of the starter with a sharp rap of a plastic faced mallet. and try it. If it works now, it needs brushes and bushings.

If the lights do not work, and they once did there is a bad connection. Go through them all to bright and shiny. Check all cables, they go bad internally. Good luck, JimN

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CNKS

05-18-2007 19:41:20




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 Re: 1944 M start problem in reply to Brad in WA, 05-18-2007 19:25:23  
Replace the battery cables with the heaviest you can find. Clean all connections, particularly the ground. A 6 volt system does not like corrosion, and it doesn't take much. Others can and will disagree, but an M is borderline for a 6 volt system. A 12 volt alternator system would be better, along with a few other minor changes.



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Will Sick

05-18-2007 19:38:50




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 Re: 1944 M start problem in reply to Brad in WA, 05-18-2007 19:25:23  
I could be that the starter is stuck. They sometimes try to climb a tooth on the ring gear. Put the tractor in 5th and rock it backwards. If that don't do it loosen the starter and it should pop loose. Then retighten it and see what happens.



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