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Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post)

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Bill(Tx)

07-28-1999 08:23:22




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I should be ready to go this weekend for a start up after a complete engine overhaul. Are there any procedures or care I should follow to properly break in a new engine. No amout of care is too much for something like this. Any suggestions Red or Bermuda Ken?




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Pappy

07-28-1999 20:31:14




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 Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Bill(Tx), 07-28-1999 08:23:22  
When I think of break-in, I think of what the manufacturer says about breaking in a new tractor. Their recommendations are not too stringent.



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ltf in nc

07-28-1999 20:16:34




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 Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Bill(Tx), 07-28-1999 08:23:22  
I would turn the engine over without starting it until I got some oil pressure. Once the gauge is reading pressure turn the ignition on and follow the submitted advise. Watch the temperature and do not let the engine get too hot initially.



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The Red

07-29-1999 06:52:32




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 Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to ltf in nc, 07-28-1999 20:16:34  
Good point. I did that also and forgot to post it. I spun it a good 5 minutes off and on and got around 10 psi or so.



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bermuda ken

07-28-1999 10:34:22




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 Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Bill(Tx), 07-28-1999 08:23:22  
I agree with Red. Avoid idling if at all possible, and recheck the head bolt torque and rocker arm gaps after 5 hours. Change oil frequently and avoid heavy loads for the first 5 hours. After that, run it the way you plan for the rest of its life. Plowing or some heavy loading will definately keep the rings seated. Check for leaks and have fun.

After this is all done, its time to get another IH tractor and start the project cycle all over..... ..

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The Red. That might just happen

07-28-1999 10:54:49




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 Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to bermuda ken, 07-28-1999 10:34:22  
A lady down in our insurance division has several antique tractors. Her son has a very early 1940 H with a lot of the 1939 casting parts. She has spotted a Farmall M for $1,000 that is in good working order but needs a paint job. I might have an attack and buy it. 1940 she said with 50%, rusty tin but complete.



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Phil Auten

07-29-1999 16:03:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to The Red. That might just happen, 07-28-1999 10:54:49  
Uh-oh, Red, once you've used an M it's gonna be hard to go back to the H! Kinda like trading in a 4 cyl. car for the same thing with a V-8! :o)
This might cause you to start drooling over 450s and 460s and maybe even a 560 or two!

Phil



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The Red GULP!

07-30-1999 10:02:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Phil Auten, 07-29-1999 16:03:14  
Then there is that (SHHHHH HHHHH HH) 4240 I mess around with over at the neighbors.



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Pappy

07-28-1999 16:00:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to The Red. That might just happen, 07-28-1999 10:54:49  
Buy that sucker!!!!! !!!!!



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Bill(Tx)

07-28-1999 20:12:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Pappy, 07-28-1999 16:00:22  
I don't even want think about another 'project'. I've got a 450 with a stuck engine waiting in line. From what I know about it, the monster had an electrical problem, then sat in a field... you know what happened then.



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The Red

07-29-1999 06:51:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Bill(Tx), 07-28-1999 20:12:38  
Its too bad that you get tractors that are neglected for no good reason. It doesn't look all that bad tin and tire wise.



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The Red. What I did.

07-28-1999 08:55:03




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 Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Bill(Tx), 07-28-1999 08:23:22  
I will leave that one for Ken for a thorough reply. I had major problems at first with the governor so it was running way too fast its first hour. I don't know if it hurt it or not.

After the first hour, I knocked the top speed down to around 1,600 and ran at various speeds, changing the throttle position every 15 minutes. I changed oil/filter at hour 2 and changed oil/filter and dropped the pan at hour 7. You will see quite a bit of ring dust. When I dropped it at 27 hours, very little dust was apparent. And I think most of that was stuff still circulating from the inital breakin.

You will definitely smell the friction for the first 2 hours as the rings start breaking in the the knurls on the sleeves.

After 2 hours I retorqued the head bolts and they had loosened A BUNCH! At hour 7 only the center bolts around #2 and #3 had loosened somewhat. All of them were on the nose at 27 hours.

Also recommend that you check valve clearances at 2, 7 and 30 or so.

Be generous with oil changes and filters. Don't cut corners now that you are ready to fire her up.

DO NOT RUN IT AT SLOW IDLE THE FIRST SEVERAL HOURS! You don't get enough oil pressure for a proper breakin.

Hope this helps. I would like to here how others went about breaking in.

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Bill(Tx)

07-28-1999 19:55:29




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 Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to The Red. What I did., 07-28-1999 08:55:03  
The imfamous governor spring story is now well known. I can understand the importance of varying rpm speeds for proper ring seating and adjusting bolts to the compressing head gasket, but I'm wondering about dropping the pan if attention is made to filter change-outs. Is the pan removal just to inspect for metal fragments that can't remain in suspension? Ring dust sounds rather small that should be captured in the oil filter. Wow...friction smell? Can you explain? Lastly, will the pan and valve cover gaskets remain in good condition after several r/r? We may have to get some pics of the big day. Thanks.

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The Red

07-29-1999 06:55:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Overhaul Break-in Procedure (or, another ^$#~ H post) in reply to Bill(Tx), 07-28-1999 19:55:29  
My main reason for dropping the pan was to clean out remaining sludge. The dust was basically settled into the sludge. I had no sludge at hour 30. The oil filter does not get all of the dust right away.



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