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Is there any real difference between H and Super C ?

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boondock Jones

02-07-2002 16:20:16

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I own and plow snow with a Super C, and I've ran an H quite a bit as a kid. I wondered if theres any real difference in what one will do that the other won't. Is the H that much more powerful that you would notice a difference in actual use. Is the SC more maneuverable? If you don't count the hydraulics in the comparison arn't they pretty darn close?

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JWC

02-09-2002 15:05:24

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

There are some reasons the H and the Super C coexisted in production. Many of the larger farmers were thirteen years into farming with H's and M's when the Super C was introduced. It was easier to buy another H or M and use your existing equipment than to have to buy everything. Ford had a healthy market share with the small farmer who needed one tractor to do many things. The super C was probably targeted directly at the Ford and Ferguson customer. It is my feeling that the H was more of a commercial design intended for longterm hard use and the Super C was designed to be a broad answer to a new market. The Super C wins when it comes to agility, but a little brawn was needed to carry a mounted cotton or corn picker season after season. Ford Chevy and Dodge have all taken the staggered approach to introducing new styling and technology to their truck lines. We see the new bodysyles in the 1/2 tons first then later in the 3/4 and 1 tons. We now see totally different styles being maintained for the lightduty and heavyduty pickups.

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gene b

02-08-2002 19:59:36

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

hook 2-14s pull type and you will find out in a big hurry

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farbs10

02-08-2002 18:26:07

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

The super c would by far be more manueverable, but it probobly wont take the abuse the h will.

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02-08-2002 17:04:01

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

for doing the same light work such raking hay, mowing or culivating the Super C will burn about 1/2 to 2/3 the gas as a H. The H is better for pulling a load or doing heavy plowing.

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SuperCmore

02-07-2002 20:49:49

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

Good friend of mine grew up on JD 50's and 60's. First time he plowed with my Super C (2-14 Fast Hitch) he asked if it was "suped up" No, not really, just fire crater pistons when overhauled 25 years ago. He said it would out plow his 50 and certainly his uncle's H with 2 14 pull type plow. Super C has lot of guts for small tractor...not heavy like an H, but mine pulls 7 1/2 foot fast hitch disc is 2 anywhere, 3d gear most places. I have FULL set of Fast Hitch implements for it, including planter, plow, disc, etc, even a rare 2C-10 one row mounted corn picker!! She looks ruff, but runs sweet!!! 2 sets of rear weights and new loaded tires....SuperCmore

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Larry

09-10-2002 09:30:45

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Re: Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to SuperCmore, 02-07-2002 20:49:49

How rare is that picker? I never heard of one till my brother found one in an auction. It's mine now, and I hope to mount it real soon. I still need the front wheel nuts for the snout. Got any extra's? How well does the picker work?

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SuperCmore

02-07-2002 20:35:51

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

I've got a friend who grew up on JD 50's and 60's. The first time he plowed with my Super C (2-14 Fast hitch) he wanted to know if it was "suped up". Said it would out plow his 50, and certainly his uncle's straight H. Super C is a gutty little tractor, and if I had my choice between a straight H and a Super C, I'd take the SuperC any day....pull a 7 2/1 foot fast hitch disc anywhere in 2nd, most places in 3d gear...great little tractor, though not as heavy as an H. More economical, too. SuperCmore

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randy

02-07-2002 19:58:49

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

Years ago when the tractors were much smaller
and the equipment also, alot of plowing was done
in my part of the country with H's and M's. The plows were two bottom tumble bug plows that were pulled around 12" deep in heavy soil, sometimes
plowing under established alfalfa. There is no
way a super C would pull that same plow in those
conditions, not enough traction. The SC was a good
little tractor, but as all of them, they have their limitations. It's just not quite the tractor
the H is.

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K.B.

02-07-2002 19:45:53

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

The H has a 5-speed transmission while the Super C has a 4-speed.

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farmall300u

02-07-2002 18:52:45

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

I like the H over the Super C, bigger engine, C152 vs C123, more drawbar hp (new) 25.5 vs 21.7, more weight 3700 vs 2990 lbs and it is much more forgiving on abuse. Try coming down a hill with a wagon full of hay with an H and then try it with the Super C. Big difference and a wild ride with the Super C. Personally, I like the M/400 Family.

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That's the same

02-07-2002 17:38:40

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

as asking which woman is better. They're all good , in various ways of course. dude

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TomH

02-07-2002 17:24:29

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

I used to have a Farmall 200 (pretty much a Super C), now own an H. The H just seems like more tractor, but maybe I'm telling myself that because that's what I have (I kinda wish I still had the 200).

Someone once asked in this forum if a souped-up H was the same as an M. One good point was that the rear end of an H holds 6 gallons of gear lube, while an M holds 13 gallons. I suspect that there are differences like that between the C and H despite the similar horsepower.

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Farmall-Nut

02-07-2002 17:04:22

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

According to the "Nebraska Tractor Tests" the Super C has 20.7 max h.p. at the drawbar and the H has 19.8.The belt pulley is 3.8 h.p. higher on the H.To add to this equation is a difference of 500 lbs.,of course the H ways more.Personally I've used both and though I'm no expert I feel the H is the stronger of the two.But, I'm of the opinion that the weight difference plays the largest role, and although I've never done it,I would be curiuos to know if a wheel and bolster weighted Super C would react like a weightless H.

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Zonie

02-09-2002 01:22:01

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Re: Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to Farmall-Nut, 02-07-2002 17:04:22

Everyone always makes a big deal about the horse power of a tractor. However it is not the horse power that does the pulling on a tractor, it is the engine torque that actually does the pulling.
I'm not sure the differences in the engine stroke of the Super C and the H, but a longer stroke will make alot more torque, especially bottom end torque.

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Steven@nd

02-07-2002 17:00:42

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

I believe the Super C had a C123 engine while the H had a C152 engine. Maybe the C ran faster and came up with close to the same horsepower. I don't have a Super C, but I do have an H or two around. Super C has no frame, the engine block acts as the frame while the H has a channel iron frame on each side of the engine.

Perhaps the H would stand up to a little more abuse, but other than that probably not much difference and I would agree that a Super C would be more manueverable.

Steven

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ohioron

02-08-2002 00:57:48

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Re: Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-07-2002 17:00:42

Steven@nd, good point on the frameless Super C. I broke ours in half when I hit a hole because of no frame. I'm sure it wouldn't have happened with the H. Had both, like the Super C a lot better as a small tractor.

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Dave 2N

02-07-2002 16:45:33

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Re: Is there any real difference between H and Super C ? in reply to boondock Jones, 02-07-2002 16:20:16

Overall and in general, I think you are right; they are both good tractors but the Super C is definitely handier and more manuverable. I know an old-time Farmall salesman who says that after the Super C came out, sales of H's declined. My Super C with Fast Hitch 2 btm. plows is a nice outfit. I know the H will have it's defenders and it is a good tractor. I own both a Super C and a Super H; the Super H is a little "more" tractor than a regular H so comparing a Super H to an H dosn't work.
But at antique tractor pulls run by our club and other clubs where the "honked up" tractors aren't allowed, (in other words, pulling my grandfather's tractor against your grandfather's tractor) I've seen Super C's outpull straight H's. Not trying to start a problem here; just setting forth my opinion based on my experiences. An interesting sidelight here: a fellow in our club who is a hard core John Deere guy drove my Super C last summer; when he got off the tractor, he said that he had never driven a Super C before, didn't realize how handy it was and on the spot offered to trade me his John Deere 50 for my Super C. I have a JD 70 and I told him one JD was enough for me, I still have the Super C.

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