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Bob

02-09-2002 11:34:21

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Had to work this morning, I am wiring a house in a very upscale part of New Jersey. Big old estates and mixed in is a few farms. Slowly the farms are getting eaten up as condos are going up as fast as they can be built. Talking to the owner about his 2002 cub cadet, talk came around to my interest in old iron. He then mentioned a farm sale going on down the road. I packed up my tools and drove down to see what was going on.
I arrived at the sale and it was taking place on the most beutiful farm I have ever seen. I walked though but it was all big stuff so I made my way back to the van. Sitting in the drives seat I could look across the whole spead, and it made me sad to think of all the year of work that went into making this a good spot for more condos.

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kraig WY

02-09-2002 17:17:44

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

This is what happens when you sell your soul to the government. Its not new. During WWII, my uncle tried to join but was told he was too old. They drafted him toward the end. The war ended just as he got out of basic. He went back to his cotton farm. When he went to get the cotton seed he couldn't. He lost his cotton allocation because he didn't farm that last year (drafted). He fought the government (with tabacco, molasses,etc until he gave up and built a sawmill making cross ties for the railroad. What happens is the big outfits buy junk land to increase their allocations or alotments and the little guy can't compete. Wonder why the Amish are in the black with a 40 acre farm and we go broke on a 400 acre farm? Stay away from government programs. A small free farm is better then a regulated large farm. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THIS, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEPCID.

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Matthew

02-10-2002 10:47:34

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Re: Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to kraig WY, 02-09-2002 17:17:44

Kraig WY

You are absolutly right!! If there was no farm program there would be more people farming. Small towns would'nt be dying, and people could make a decent living from a small farm. Nothing kills a small farm quicker than a big one that's doing the gov. work. They buy up all the small one's till there's just a handfull farming a county. Then the government's got them right were they want them....as dependents!!

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Farmall-Nut

02-09-2002 16:41:49

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

When I was just a tot I remember all the farms in up-state NY.My father in his youth was a hand on a dairy farm there.I grew up listening to stories of his glory days.He still to this day cant believe the housing developments that stand where he once farmed.I grew up doing hard work and living in the country but I still cant imagine working farms of the magnitude of some I've learned of.Im now living in rural SW Virginia and though the farms have dwindled there are still quite a few around It will be a few more years before the condos get here but I have no doubt ther coming.Its inevitable!

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J.D. Humm

02-09-2002 16:13:42

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

I am located in Kansas about 30 miles west of Kansas City, Mo and go to New Jersey once a year or so for training for work. We land at Newark airport and I must say, that is an entirely different world to me than what I am used to here. The training center for my company is at Randolph, NJ and their headquarters is at Morristown. Seems like all the way from Newark to Randolph is what we would consider "suburb" type areas here, never really got out in the open like I am used to here. Drive 20 minutes any direction from the Kansas City city limits and you are in wide open spaces. New Jersey is much different, although pretty and scenic once you get away from Newark. I would have loved to have seen farmsteads when I was there but saw none anywhere, know I was most likely not in the right places, though. Travel is hard on this old Kansas wheat farmer!!!!

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Bob

02-10-2002 04:54:17

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Re: Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to J.D. Humm, 02-09-2002 16:13:42

That is funny that you were in Randolph, thats where my Granpas farm is. It's pretty much the last one. My uncle has a stand there with a couple of green houses. Can't grow much because of the overpopulation of deer coming off the town park. No hunting allowed in the park and to many Antihunters. It does get a little better in parts of the state but it is all prime realistate.

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lcbateman

02-09-2002 15:47:47

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

Having been born, raised, and still currently living in a rural agricultural area, it saddens me to see all of the people who will never known what peaceful country life is. My work takes me to most of the major metropolitan areas of the country, but there is only one home for me, and that home consists of fields, tractors, and farming!

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RedTed/MO

02-09-2002 15:20:04

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

It is sad, but it's a fact. Government goes to bed with the whichever john has the most money,... and it ain't farmers. As long as W and his friends are in bed with Enron, etc., ag land policy is not a politically profitable issue. Sorry. Tell your grandchildren not to get to attached to actual farm grown food. RedTed/MO.

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sod

02-09-2002 18:28:18

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Re: Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to RedTed/MO, 02-09-2002 15:20:04

sorry redted, but if you did your homework you would have known that the Enron guys gave more dough to the Dems... And they went to ask for favors from the White House and they were turned down cold.
sod

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RedTed/MO

02-10-2002 05:22:24

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Re: Re: Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to sod, 02-09-2002 18:28:18

sod: Point well taken and I'm sorry I got carried away. Either side of the aisle, my concern is that ag land policy has no meaningful forum right now, that synthetic food substitutes will be regular fare, and that my two grandsons may never enjoy a glass of fresh milk and an ear of sweet corn. (Although they will have fun riding up and down the road with grandpa's old farmall!) Have a good one. RedTed/MO.

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Mike

02-09-2002 14:36:21

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

The Ag. preservation plans do help keep it farrmland but the government has there hands in this too. A whole lot of restrictions on what you can do, stream buffers, stream crossings, can't plant this can't do this. And on top of all this you get a 1099 tax form at the end of the year so you can give half of it back to the government. Had I known all of this beforehand I would have sold the place to a developer and moved out west.

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Moving out west wouldn't help either!

02-10-2002 07:09:08

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Re: Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Mike, 02-09-2002 14:36:21

I live outside of Tucson in the desert and all the people are moving here from Los Angles. in the last few months we've had several housing developments get started right around me!
these people are getting into county government and making laws that are rediculus. I can't clear the cactus and brush from my land but the developers can clear as many acres as they want, divert washes and basicly do as they want.
If I build a shed the county zoning people are on my case like a fly on s--t! It makes me sick how these people are turning Tucson area into another L.A.
Now where is my malox???

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VAJerry

02-09-2002 13:40:42

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

Many states have or are starting programs to buy the developement rights to farmland. I see this as finally a good use of taxpayers money. I just hope that some wise a--ed lawyer in the future does not find a way around these programs.

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Bob

02-09-2002 13:47:55

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Re: Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to VAJerry, 02-09-2002 13:40:42

Yeah my Grandfather just went though that. It is a great idea. Since only my 80 year old grampa and uncle are interested in farming, the whole family got there share and the farm stays a farm instead of a number when my grampa passes on. Give lawyers a chance they"ll figure it out!

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Matthew

02-09-2002 12:34:44

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

Ya, it sure is sad. Concrete is the earth's last crop. Things keep going like this, we're going to be in big trouble!!

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sod

02-09-2002 12:12:49

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

My friend had a sig. other who had a lot of dough. They built a nice place on 5 acres that used to be a farm. She wanted a rock retaining wall. There was a huge rockpile full of huge boulders. They hauled those rocks up out of the depression that they were in, back up to the site. Tim told me that each one that they dragged out of there they could here the oldtimers rolling over in their graves. He felt bad about it.
good luck sod

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Sad too!

02-09-2002 12:07:25

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Re: OT Farm Sale in reply to Bob, 02-09-2002 11:34:21

Worse yet. Having to spend so much of your life looking for the right land to BEGIN farming and when you attempt to purchase it, (and I have tried several times with cash in hand) the farmer renegs on the deal at the last minute becasue he thinks you are not worthy to buy his land for some odd and ignorant reason.

So the same mentality that sells the land for condos, is the same mentality that stops potential farmers from sparing the land from that exact fate.

I'm sure no one here is like that :-) but maybe have a word or three with your ag neighbors to help the farm community get over the bigotry and ignorance that keeps new blood from contributing to it.

Color me indignant to ignorance.

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