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BrianS

02-16-2002 07:12:33

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I am looking for a tractor to put up hay with a mower conditioner and round baler, and to move round bales on 200 acres. Found an IH 1086 with loader, also a Case 2090 with powershift. The Case may cost a little more. Does anyone out there have any thoughts on using the IH for the loader work with respect to hard shifting? My Dad had a 706 that really was hard shifting and from what I understand, there is essentially no difference in the transmission between the 06 series and the 86 other than going to an H pattern on the range. Are the IH transmissions still "grind-o-matic" in the 86 series? I also have read that some of the shifting problem can be with a transmission brake adjustment. Would the Case be worth a little extra for the powershift? Thanks for any advice.

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Randy

02-18-2002 22:53:46

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

Some years ago I owned a 1086, at that same time I had a 2090,2390,4020JD,4230JD. The international
seemed to be fairly reliable, but used far more
fuel than any of my other tractors in every application. The biggest problem I had with it was
getting my hired help to run it, it was just real
unhandy to run. For a loader application I would
think that would be the last tractor that I would
ever put a loader on, because of it's transmission. I had a loader on the 2090 in the winter just for moving snow, and the case trans
is handy to run and dependable. If you get the case, make sure you start the engine and let it warm up for five or ten minutes in cold weather.
If this is done the powershift will last forever.

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Hugh MacKay

02-19-2002 01:18:21

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Re: Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to Randy, 02-18-2002 22:53:46

Sure the big Farmalls transmissions were not the smoothest in the world to shift. They were built for three uses: PTO, 3PH and Drawbar. In case no one has noticed that is probably 90% of North American Agricultural Tractor work. The Farmalls (pre 1980) had enough torque you didn't have to be shifting all day. You just needed one tough transmission. Hanging front end loaders on the front of two wheel drive tractors has probably created 75% of repair bills on tractor. If you want and need a front end loader go buy a real one.

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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2002 02:34:43

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

I can't understand you fellows, my father farmed 200 acres with Farmalls 130, 300 and 560D. I didn't even consider a 1066 until I had 500 acres, in 1975. In 1972 I purchased a new Case 1737 uniloader. At that time I had a IH 2000 loader on Farmall 560. Two years later the loader was taken off 560 and put in shed, it was never used again. Those skid loaders will run circles around a farm tractor with loader. You only need 60 hp to run the round baler. You buy a good used 656 and a skid steer and your fuel and repair bill will be less than with the 1086 or the Case. The only jobs I ever used my 1066 for was forage harvester, 25' disk or cultivator and 12 ton manure spreader. Those big TURBOS are not very efficient on light work.

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Keith

02-17-2002 20:25:48

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

The tractor you need for this operation is a IH 186 Hydro. This tractor is powered by a 436 just like the 986 but with a hydro trans. I use mine for baling, stacking and all kinds of other loader work.

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John A

02-16-2002 14:28:13

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

Boys, I have a 966 /w TA, no cab /w 2350 IH loader
great combo. Will ditto on must stop to shift and all linkage needs to be properly lubed. But if you are bent on a powershift, hands down go with
a JD 4640 this tractor is the best on round bales
I have ever run. The trans is Kid,Wife,Hiredhand
you are damn mad, hour behind, should have been
50 miles down the road--- proof!!
There is no substitute for Hp, and reach a taller
and larger tractor can do, when loading unloading
a semi.!
Buy the IH , Loose the Case!!
Just my $.02 .
John A.

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John A

02-16-2002 14:27:51

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

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02-16-2002 13:29:42

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

if you want to experience the jerk-o-matic transmission and hydraulic h*ll buy the case, if it was me, i wouldnt have to think about it, IH all the way!!!

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phil

02-16-2002 12:25:06

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

I'd have to agree with Steve@nd. I have both a 1086 and 2090 and would definitely choose the Case with powershift. you have more speed selection in any one gear and quicker reverse on the Case where as in the 1086 you only have torque ahead or back in any one gear. In the Case you definitely have to manually downshift the powershift to 1st range instead of using the clutch to bring it back to 1st cuz it will give you one heck of a jolt, unless the linkages are set right. i have a 1070 that will throw you into the cab window if you try that but then our 2090 is as smooth as can be downshifting with the clutch.

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Jeff

02-16-2002 11:14:56

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

Friend of mine has Case 2090 . (likes to beat things , poor prevent. mant.) Lots of trouble with power shift . All tractors will do the job IF treated good ! My opin. Get the International , people seem to know more about them , more popular than Case .

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Matthew

02-16-2002 10:54:42

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

1086 all the way!! Case don't have a frame. IH does. I have a 886 on a loader, it works very well. Just two tips I have to give you on shifting. ALWAYS COME TO A STOP BEFORE SHIFTING and ALWAYS SHIFT TO NEUTRAL WITH RANGE LEVER BEFORE SHIFTING THE GEAR LEVER. With a properly set dump valve and trans brake you won't have any problems. I like the cab arrangement on them you can run the loader with your right hand and shift with your left at the same time.

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jd730

02-16-2002 10:06:28

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

BrianS,for 200 acres a 1086 is a little more tractor than you should need. For loader work you should look for something with a wet clutch and a synconized tranny. Smaller 30 or 40 series JD or 5000 series Maxxums would be a good choice for loader tractors. They might cost a little more but at the end of a hard day you you won't feel like beating the wife and kid. There are several other brands that have good tractors for a 200 acre operation, shop around and find something that fits your needs. Bill

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Matthew

02-16-2002 10:59:06

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Re: Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to jd730, 02-16-2002 10:06:28

No such thing as too much power!!! That's what my granddad use to say!!!

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dan

02-16-2002 09:54:44

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

I would by far take the case with the powershift because one flick of the powershift lever and youre in reverse, and i agree with steven that with a 1086 all you will be doing is cursing trying to get it into gear.

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Steven@nd

02-16-2002 07:59:58

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

The 1086 has more horsepower than the 2090. We have a 1086 and a 2590. Both are really good tractors. The powershift is nicer for loader work, and quite reliable if you know what you are doing. And with buying a used tractor you are going on the faith that the previous owner knew what he was doing also. With the Case powershift, you HAVE to, I say ABSOLUTELY MUST shift down to first gear in the power range before pushing in the clutch. If you do not, the clutch kicks the lever back to first no matter what gear you were in and it tears things up in the tranny. Other than that I know of no problems with the powershift. Oh yeah, don't shift at full throttle either because it will jump the front wheels off the ground!

Our 1086 is good, but TA problems have led us to like the 2590 better. However, on a loader you probably wouldn't use the TA as much, and it wouldn't be under load like ours is in the field.

A horse a piece I say, but the cab is nicer on the Case also, and controls are better placed. Although sometimes with a loader it is nice to have doors on both sides of the cab.

Right now we are looking for a Case powershift to replace our 1256 as a loader tractor.

Steven

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JD Humm

02-16-2002 07:39:45

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Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to BrianS, 02-16-2002 07:12:33

We have a 1086 and an 886, both pull occasional loader duty. As long as the transmission brake is properly adjusted and all linkage is lubricated we have no shifting problems. We also had a 706 at one time and the 86 is a lot easier shifting than that tractor was. The Case is probably ok but I have heard horror stories about their power shifts, don't know how true they are and don't want to knock Case but I would go with the IH for reliability reasons. My opinion only.

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JD Humm

02-16-2002 09:21:32

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Re: Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to JD Humm, 02-16-2002 07:39:45

Not wanting to contradict what Steven said but Dad's 1086 has nearly 5000 and still has the original TA and shows no signs of weakness, in fact nothing on that tractor has been touched, it has been excellent.

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Steven@nd

02-16-2002 17:29:44

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Re: Re: Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to JD Humm, 02-16-2002 09:21:32

Sorry I wasn't clear, I said lately we have had trouble with the TA. Original TA lasted 7000 hours of pretty hard use. 2nd TA lasted 200 hours of easy use. It was warranty work, but down time really p***es me off.

And as for the 86 series clutch, it is also pretty weak. One summer on the baler and the 1086 OR 1256 needs a new clutch. 2590 has run the baler for 4 years without any problems. Also, the Case has not given us any trouble with the hydralics or powershift.

The 1086 is a tough tractor, as is the 2590, but I would still take the Case for loader work.

Steven

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JD Humm

02-16-2002 19:01:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to Steven@nd, 02-16-2002 17:29:44

I understand about the 200 hrs, that is uncalled for. 7000 is excellent for a ta to last. Our 1086 has been on a big round baler since 1984 and still has the original clutch as well. A powershift would be nice though. I am not dead set against newer Case tractors, just an IH fan at heart. By the way I have been practicing what you wrote me about posting photos and it works great, I always wondered how it was done and thanks again for telling me, always nice to learn something new.

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02-16-2002 20:34:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1086 shifting in reply to JD Humm, 02-16-2002 19:01:19

how are you posting the pictures may i ask, thanks

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