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Bobby R

02-25-2002 18:22:18




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My uncle built a 2 wheel bale cart to haul big round bales behind his M. The problem is that when it gets muddy he always gets stuck and calls me to pull him out with his other M. I suggested that he build a cart out of the rear axle of an old pickup then hook the drive shaft to the PTO of the M and let the cart help push in the mud. He says it won't work because the 540 PTO will turn the wheels way too fast. Anybody ever try anything like this? Do you think it will work?

Thanks, Bobby

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Keith

02-27-2002 09:31:18




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 Re: Bale Cart in reply to Bobby R, 02-25-2002 18:22:18  
I built one and had to cut the cross member out from under the hay fork then had no trouble.

as for the rearend deal....a 540 PTO would turn the rearend too fast. also anything like that with a spining and turning shaft would be a U joint eater..... ..just my .02.



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Haas

02-26-2002 06:43:18




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 Re: Bale Cart in reply to Bobby R, 02-25-2002 18:22:18  
Assuming the tires on the cart are 30 inch diameter and the rear axle ratio of the old truck axle is 3.73, then the 540 rpm PTO speed works out to about 13 MPH. That's a little too fast so you would need about a 3 to 1 reduction of the PTO speed to match up with say 3 rd gear on the M. I think it would work if you keep the transmission from the old truck too and connect the PTO to the front of that. Then put the old truck tranny in 1st gear and go for it.

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Matthew

02-26-2002 09:34:32




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 Re: Re: Bale Cart in reply to Haas, 02-26-2002 06:43:18  
The transmission idea will work!!!



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David Saville

02-25-2002 21:01:34




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 Re: Bale Cart in reply to Bobby R, 02-25-2002 18:22:18  
A number of years ago I saw an article in a farm paper (Farm Progress maybe) where I guy had made his cart out of another M rear end and had hooked up the PTO's the way you mention. By leaving the towed M transmission in gear he could get power to the second set of wheels. A pretty wild looking outfit from what I remember of it. At least his power trains were the same. You will have to divide by the differential ratio and multiply by the tire diameter and pi then add a fudge factor of 42 and you should be pretty close. Close to what; I don't know.

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Keith B

02-26-2002 05:53:46




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 Re: Re: Bale Cart in reply to David Saville, 02-25-2002 21:01:34  
Fudge factor of 42?



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gene b

02-25-2002 19:43:19




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 Re: Bale Cart in reply to Bobby R, 02-25-2002 18:22:18  
the 540 pto is not fast enough that is not even idle speed for the cart you would need 1000 or so and then you would need some mud type tires on the cart god idea but need to figure out the rpm on the rear end of the cart



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Farmall Freddy

02-25-2002 18:49:07




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 Re: Bale Cart in reply to Bobby R, 02-25-2002 18:22:18  
What a brain teaser!!!!! !!!! If it would work I can't believe someone hasn't come up with it before now.



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Dick Davis

02-26-2002 04:51:20




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 Re: Re: Bale Cart in reply to Farmall Freddy, 02-25-2002 18:49:07  
Easy to figure: What is the drive shaft RPM of the rear axle's orginal installation that results in a ground speed of say 3.5MPH? (call that X) Install, between PTO and drive shaft a transmission or belt&pulley or chain&gear reduction or step up system to convert 540 tractor RPM to X drive shaft RPM. So what if there isn't any room left in the trailer to haul wood. The drill here guys is to use old iron, not necessarily to use old iron effectively! Dick

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