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Cub 184 with a stuck clutch

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Bama Binder

03-25-2002 08:53:47




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I am looking for advise on how to unstick the clutch pressure plate that I think has rusted to the flywheel.

I have read in the archives some remedies for this, but the machine must be moved with the clutch pedal depressed.

Here is the problem...the 154, 185, 184 series had a clutch brake. I don't know exactly what the purpose behind the clutch brake is, but it very effectivly stops the engine if you press the clutch pedal with the engine at high idle and the pressure plate stuck to the flywheel.

I need some advise about how to proceed. The 184 isn't like the regular cub in that it has no torque tube. I can get to the clutch from the sides by removing the side panels.

Two thoughts come to mind. First, start the engine and just try depressing the clutch in the hopes that the clutch brake can break it free. The second was to grind the teeth off a hacksaw blade and try driving the blade between the flywheel and pressure plate.

Any other suggestions?

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Mike K

03-25-2002 12:27:14




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 Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Bama Binder, 03-25-2002 08:53:47  
Start it in 2nd gear and drive it around while holding the clutch pedal down,make it work hard i.e. hills,rough terrain,etc..... ..it should pop free. Only the 154&185 have a clutch brake,the 184 does not..... ..Mike
P.S. If the disc is rusted to the input shaft at the spline you may not have much success.



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Bama Binder

03-25-2002 13:29:34




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 Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Mike K, 03-25-2002 12:27:14  
Mike...thanks for the info. On the clutch brake I have a question. When I put the clutch in, the engine WILL NOT turn. I can't move it by hand and it will kill the engine at idle.

I have a very early 184...#220 off the line. IH is notorious for running changes. Is it possible mine has a clutch brake?

If not then what indications do the above symptoms indicate?? Ir is this just the way a tractor with a stuck clutch acts??

Thanks for your help...BB

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Mike K

03-25-2002 18:27:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Bama Binder, 03-25-2002 13:29:34  
B.B.,Tell me if the clutch is forward(on engine) or rear(on trans),the forward(184 style)has no brake. Still though,the brake on the 154/185's is applied when you let the pedal out(if working correctly).
Does your 184 have a motor/gen. or a starter&alt.? early 184's had the mot/gen which is kind of a bummer too....Mike



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Bama Binder

03-25-2002 19:52:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Mike K, 03-25-2002 18:27:52  
Mike...just re-read your post. The clutch is forward on the engine (like the old style Cubs).



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Mike K

03-25-2002 19:11:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Mike K, 03-25-2002 18:27:52  
Correction,meant to say that the clutch brake is applied when the clutch is pushed in.
It would stall the engine at idle if the disk is stuck to the flywheel,again this is on the rearward clutch.
You can disconnect the c.b. linkage while you're trying to un-stick the disc...Mike



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Bama Binder

03-25-2002 19:49:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Mike K, 03-25-2002 19:11:11  
My 184 has the starter and alternator seperate. I knew the clutch was not working so I adjusted the clutch. Still no good...BUT, when I applied the clutch hard, it killed the motor. The motor is good, so clearly I was applying braking force when I applied the clutch.

As for forward or rearward clutch, I have no idea which is which. Evidently my 184 is old enough to have the starter / alternator combo though.

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Mike K

03-26-2002 05:13:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Bama Binder , 03-25-2002 19:49:25  
What you mean is that your 184 is new enough to have the starter and separate alternator arrangment,that's a good thing.
As for the clutch,I would remove the drive shaft top cover and have a look see at what's going on. You don't mention that it's making any noise,but it almost seems as though the throw-out bearing is the problem,keep us posted.....Mike



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chris

03-25-2002 10:44:04




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 Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Bama Binder, 03-25-2002 08:53:47  
I usually prop the clutch pedal down and leave it for a couple days,and if you can see between the disk and pressure plate you can insert something like a puttyknife or similar,a few small nicks in the clutch disk wont hurt anything but try not to tear out any big chunks when prying on it.but keep the clutch pedal propped down during all the time your working on it



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the tractor vet

03-25-2002 09:13:08




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 Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to Bama Binder, 03-25-2002 08:53:47  
Try backing the bolts off and use a putty knife , or it could be that the pilot bearing has szeed, this has been a problem with them i have fixed a couple of them and they act the same way , the hard part is getting the coupler off the drive shaft. PULL the drive shaft out and look at the end of it and see if it is woren or stuck in the flywheel and if it is woren then get it welded up and turned down and install a new bearing.

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A-BOB

03-25-2002 09:28:36




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 Re: Re: Cub 184 with a stuck clutch in reply to the tractor vet, 03-25-2002 09:13:08  
I'm not sure this idea works with the Cub, but my A clutch presure plate rusted during my restoration and it was suggested that I start the tractor in gear and tap on the brake pedal while it was moving. It broke lose the first time I hit the brakes. Hope it works in your case.



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