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Getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al

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boog

03-25-2002 18:50:13




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A couple of weeks ago I posted about adding a Behlen power steering unit to a SMTA. Received back several replies including Farmalldan's who stated I need a priority control valve.

I ordered a greshen valve thru Force America and have spent the last couple of days trying to get it installed. After several trips to town getting hoses made I finally got it hooked up this p.m.. Problem is I still have no p.s.

Previously the p.s. would work only if I pulled both the flow control( 2-way) and Lift-all levers back. Now when I pull out Lift-all rod the engine pulls down and 3/4" pressure hose from pump vibrates. p.s. starts to work then locks.

Here is how I have it plumbed in: 1. pressure side of pump (3/4" hose) teed into P. port on priority valve (pv) and on to Lift- all 2. CF (constant flow) port on pv to 3/8" port on power steering unit. 3. 1/2" port on steering unit to tee in 1" return (bottom) hose from Lift-all. This hose then returns to fitting under flow control, then to hyd. filter and then to pump. 4. EF (excess flow) port on p.v. to flow contoll 5. T (tank) port on p.v. also tees into 1" return ahead of fitting under flow control.

I looked at a friends SMTA and he had used the same valve. Everything was hooked the same except he had mounted the p.v. valve at the side of the Liftall as where as I mounted at the back of the engine under the gas tank. Also he did not have a hyd. filter. I figured while I had everything apart and had to have new hoses made it would be a good time to install one.

Do I have something plumbed wrong, or could it be the filter is causing the problem? As I said in my post heading " I'm beginning to get discouraged. It's not as if I have no mechanical knowledge. My son and I farm 2,100 acres and due what mechanical work we can, but this one has us both stumped.

To top it off, one of the rear axle seals is leaking so I decided to fix that before coming in for supper. Had the wheel almost off the axle when I discovered that it was full of fluid. Sure glad I didn't get it clear off first. Don't know if the cherry picker would have handled it. In the a.m. will call the tire man and have them pumped out.

Mom said there would be days like this. She just didn't tell me there would be so many.


Appreciate all the advice I can get
boog

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farmalldan

03-26-2002 07:55:02




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 Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to boog, 03-25-2002 18:50:13  
Boog,
If I follow your installation, I think you need to move the tee for the Lift-all to the excess flow port. All hydraulic oil from the pump should go through the priority valve. Without checking my manuals, I am wondering if you need a tee at all. However, this change should get the power steering working. If your Lift-all doesn't work, we will address that in time. Do you have a hydraulic cylinder connected to the power ports in the Lift-all. If not, you are forcing oil over the relief valve in the Lift-all when you pull the rod back. This will cause the engine to lug and hoses to vibrate, but no harm should be done for short durations. Does your friend's SMTA have the flow control valve? Does he have the pressure line from the pump tee'd into the priority valve? If so, I can't see how he is generating pressure for the power steering. Advise if this works.

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If I follow you / boog

03-26-2002 10:08:33




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 Re: Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to farmalldan, 03-26-2002 07:55:02  
Man am I Glad to hear from you Farmalldan,

Let me run this by you to make sure I'm following you.

Run the pressure hose from pump into the pressure port on the priority valve. From Excess flow port take that line to Lift-all. The Flow-control ( 2-way) valve will also feed off of the excess flow line. Think that's what you are saying.

As for friends SMTA, yes it has the Flow control valve. As to how his is plumbed; He disconnected 2-way valve from pressure line and ran straight back to Lift-all. Installed priority valve in a tee right in front of 90* el going into Lift-all. Ran excess flow line back to 2-way. Constant flow line to 3/8" port on steering unit. Hose from 1/2" port on steering unit and hose from "T" port on priority valve were teed into the 1" port exiting Lift- all.

Power ports are plug off, no cylinders. As for Lift-all working. Presently I have no need for it. Main thing I am interested in is to get the power steering working and also have occassional use for the Flow-contol. This tractor is mainly used to run an auger and occassionaly move equipment in and out of sheds. Also, it is my first attempt at restoring a tractor, though at this time I have no intentions of showing it.

Thanks for the reply,
boog

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farmalldan

03-26-2002 11:33:49




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 Re: Re: Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to If I follow you / boog, 03-26-2002 10:08:33  
Yes, I think you've got it. Sounds like your friend's tractor is connected the same way. All fluid from pump into priority valve. Excess flow port feeds both Lift-all and flow control valve through a tee. "T" port on priority valve and return from steering motor both go to tank. The large line to your pump is suction and is essentially "tank", but you might consider connecting both to your Lift-all filler via a tee to insure no air is sucked into the pump. I am still a little concerned about your comment that the power steering worked briefly while the Lift-all rod was back and then locked-up. This causes me to suspect pressure on both sides of the power steering motor. Check that both return from power steering motor and "T" port on priority valve are open and not blocked under any circumstance. Fluid must flow from these connections unimpeded. If in doubt, temorarily stick them in the filler neck to test system function. Good luck.

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redrev

03-26-2002 05:08:04




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 Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to boog, 03-25-2002 18:50:13  
We can't let you give up boog. Remember: you're saving a red one from the scrap heap! The answer is in there somewhere! I'd try to help you, but I'm dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to mechanics. Good luck...you'll get it!



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boog

03-26-2002 07:34:41




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 Re: Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to redrev, 03-26-2002 05:08:04  
Redrev,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to give up. Instead of discouraged I really should have use p-off.

I know the power steering unit works because as I stated I had it working before I put the priority flow control valve in. The only problem was I had to pull both hyd. levers back. Also, I am hooked the same, except now have added the priority valve.

I spent almost 2 years trying to find a bad electrical connection on our 4020 after 3 deere mechanics said they had it fixed. Finally found that ao they shouldn't be as bad.

It's just that some days everything seems to go wrong.

boog

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Redrev

03-26-2002 08:06:55




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 Re: Re: Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to boog, 03-26-2002 07:34:41  
That makes me feel better. Of course, it's easy for me to say "keep on keeping on", because I can't fix anything, and that includes lunch! However, I really like tractors. It's a good thing I'm po, or there would be no place left to park the car. Nothing thrill me more than the sound of a great old engine brought back to life.



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Tim Kincaid

03-26-2002 03:19:08




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 Re: getting discouraged / need help Farmalldan et al in reply to boog, 03-25-2002 18:50:13  
I read your story and felt bad for you. Try hooking up some hoses to another tractor directly to the behlen unit to make sure it hasn't failed you. Make sure your pressure going to the unit isn't to high, no more than 1000 psi. Also try to check for a possible air lock somewhere in the system.And double and triple check your lines going to and from the unit to make sure there is a clear flow in and away back to the resovoir. Sometimes the problem is right in front of you and is the easiest but we just can't see it.. Good Luck to you and your son and hope you find the problem email me when figure it out,troubleshooting is challenging but rewarding in the end.

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