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BIG JOHN

03-28-2002 14:59:05




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Bob Melville - I hope you see this and can help me - Anyone else who can help, please do so - 8 VOLT BATTERIES - Since they are used in a 6 volt system with 6 volt gen. and reg. or cutouts how do they keep an 8 volt charge? Should some adjustments be made that up's the voltage or what? Also when they go dead what is the proper way to recharge them since chargers are either 6 volt or 12 volt output? How are the 6 volt lights effected?

VOLTAGE REGULATORS - CUTOUTS - What is the function of each and the pros and cons of one v the other? What was the thinking and why were both used?

GENERATORS - Also alternators come either 6 volt or 12 volt. What is the internal difference and can either be changed from one voltage to the other voltage? At of course a reasonable cost.

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BIG JOHN

03-28-2002 19:30:26




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 Re: 8 Volt Batteries - Voltage Regualtors - Cutouts - Generators Gremlins in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-28-2002 14:59:05  
THANKS FOR THE HELP



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chris

03-28-2002 19:14:59




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 Re: 8 Volt Batteries - Voltage Regualtors - Cutouts - Generators Gremlins in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-28-2002 14:59:05  
kind of off your subject but I gave up on generators years ago when I found out Orirllys auto parts has a gm one wire alternator with a lifetime warranty for69$ just dont tell em it's for a tractor and they'll never know the difference(no warranty on tractor electrical parts)I use small ,like 450 amps,batteries on tractors that were switched from 6 volts.big batt's are to hard on starter drives



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Bob M

03-28-2002 18:44:44




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 Re: 8 Volt Batteries - Voltage Regualtors - Cutouts - Generators Gremlins in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-28-2002 14:59:05  
Hey Big John - A few answers to your query:

8 VOLT BATTERYS, ETC: With a cutout-type system, the battery simply charges whenever the generator voltage exceeds 8 volts. This occurs whenever the engine RPM is high enough (typically about 1/2 governer). Downside is if the engine is run at mostly at low RPMs, the battery will never get charged.

With a regulator-equipped system, unless the voltage relay is adjusted to begin regulation at about 9-1/2 volts, the battery will charge very slowly - or not at all - on a 6 volt system regardless of RPM. And if the engine is run only at low speeds, the battery will never be recharged even with the regulator reset for 8 volt operation.

An 8 volt battery can be recharged with a 12 volt charger - simply wire a 3 amp (at 12 volt) electrical load in series with the charger and the battery. A headlamp works well for this. The lamp will act as a current-limiting ballast to the setup. The brightness of the lamp will also give a rough indication of the state of battery charge - the DIMMER the lamp burns the more fully charged is the battery.

6 volt lamps burned on 8 volts will burn brighter than on 6 volts. But lamp life will shortened, though not drastically.

CUTOUTS vs REGULATORS: Cutouts came first - they are simple, cheap and relatively reliable. However charging control is left to the operator (i.e. is generally neglected) so overcharging and ruining the battery is alway possible. Regulators on the other hand provide better control and less chance of overcharging. But regulators cost more and are more complicated (more moving parts), hence can be less reliable.

ALTERNATORS - A 12 volt negative ground alternator can be made to supply 6 volts negative ground simply by replacing the internal regulator. There's a few outfits (JC Whitney, others?) that sell these regulators - cost is under $10. However if you want 6 volt POSITIVE ground you must also replace the output diodes inside the alternator.

Hope this helps...

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