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Brent

04-10-2002 11:15:22

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I am an avid reader and leaner on this board but when a CASE question came up I posted it over there. I did not get the rapid response I usualy get on this board so I am going to repost it and see what comes from it.

Here goes..."My neighbor is very ill with cancer and I have agreed to get his crop in for him this spring, the only problem is that while he was in bed one of his kids decided to try to haul manure (no tractor experience at all) and "started" the 1070 tractor (~100hp) when it was already running. Half of the starter gear was gone when I pulled it off, and is in the bottom of the gearbox somewhere. Is there any danger of the pieces causing damage if I leave them in there? Or should I get them out somehow, and how could I do that? It is a 1974 model if I remember correctly. Thanks for any advice"

I hope someone has a response. Thanks !

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Dave, Sherburne, NY

04-11-2002 19:06:28

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

I've got a Cockshutt 30 in my garage right now and I can tell you there is not room down under that fly wheel for any thing extra Try a cattle magnet inserted into tight fitting flexible hose dropped down through the starter hole . those cattle magnets are powerful and heavy. Make sure it fits tight in the flexible tube .

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Brent

04-11-2002 05:32:48

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately I will have to "go in" through the starter opening and then straight down so I will need a "flexible" tool. I am guessing a magnet of some sort, but it will probably stick to everything else on the way down unless it has a semi-stiff rod or hose pushing it down. Thanks again, Brent.

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Michael Soldan

04-10-2002 22:19:35

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

Brent you can buy a mechanics magnet on a long rod, very common to find at an auto supply house and get it down in there and fish out those tiny pieces. The magnet works regardless of oil or grease that is in there .I'd try to get as much refuse out of there as I can. Good luck from MIke in Exeter Ontario

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The Red Baron

04-10-2002 20:38:54

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

Off the top of my head I would have to guess that they probably will do no harm if simply left alone. But let me offer this advice. I am unsure of just what kind of access hole or hatch you have to the bottom of the compartment containing the parts but I can highly recommend a tool which unfortueately I do not know the name of. When I was little I heard it called a frog, but I seriously doubt if anyone would know it by that name. For lack of a better term I would simply ask your local auto parts retailer for a "flexible parts grabber". They are about two feet long and the main body is coposed of a rather flexible cable with a retractable insert not unlike the throttle control of a lawnmower. They have a button and finger hold on one end and on the business end there is a retractable 4 sided claw made of spring steel. When you press the button the claw comes out and if placed over any small part and the button released--it will quite firmly hold on and you will be able to removed the part. They cost around 5-10 bucks but beleive me, they are WELL worth it. Don't let some dumb parts counter kid tell you he's never heard of one and doesn't know what you are talking about. Make sure you talk to someone who has a clue. I hope it works for you, but if not the tool is worth it's weight in gold. I can't remember how many times I have retrieved parts, nuts, bolts and springs that had fallen somewhere often in a precarious location and could not be reached with any other means.

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twopop

04-10-2002 19:46:09

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

they are in the bottom of the clutch housing,i think you can leave them there.they cant get to the trans.

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John in Maryland

04-10-2002 17:24:43

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

I don't know anything about that tractor but I don't guess there is any kind of inspection plate or anything that can be removed on the side or bottom? Only other thought is like the others said, a magnet, unless you could somehow shove some kind of suction hose off a vacuum reduced to a little bitty hose, probably won't or can't work anyhow, just an idea though.

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JD Humm

04-10-2002 15:56:23

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

I have taken the head off of a mechanic's magnet and clamped it to a piece of rubber hose, like 3/8 id and 36 inches long before to retrieve metal pieces in places I could not ordinarily get to with a stiff armed magnet. Might try that. Anhydrous ammonia applicator hose was what I used but any small hose would work. I once dropped a 3/8 inch combination wrench into the rear end housing on Dad's 1030 Case years ago while adjusting the power take off clutch and retrieved it with the hose and magent method. Took a while but it worked.

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BIG JOHN

04-10-2002 15:55:24

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

I'll try to help you but first I need some more info. The Case 1070 is it a gas or diesel, I've never seen a gas model but I understand there were a few made. What type of a transmission does it have, a mechanical shift or a power shift?Is it a cab tractor or an open station tractor?

I have a 1070 diesel, Cab tractor with a power shift transmission.

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Brent

04-11-2002 05:29:13

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Re: Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to BIG JOHN, 04-10-2002 15:55:24

It is a diesel, with cab & powershift. It holds a bunch of fluid (15-19 gallons if I remember right) so I thought maybe those parts would stay "sunk" in the bottom but I guess maybe not?

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BIG JOHN

04-11-2002 19:06:34

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Re: Re: Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-11-2002 05:29:13

If you look at the underside of the drive line you will see that the clutch housing is not a part of the transmission. There are two what look like drain plugs (at different levels)that are inspection plugs. They are only about 1" in dia. so might not be of much help if the pieces are larger than the hole. With the starter off and a light in the whole you will be able to get a look at the clearance you have in the bottom of the clutch and flywheel and decide wheather to leave or remove the pieces. It is possable to flush out small pieces with solvent. This is not a CIH fix though. GOOD LUCK

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jal-SD

04-10-2002 14:45:42

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Re: Question went unaswered on CASE board in reply to Brent, 04-10-2002 11:15:22

I'd think that you gotta get 'em out of there somehow, or they'll probably cause all kinds of grief. Can you reach in w/one of those long magnets? (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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