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Aaron

05-26-2002 12:24:20




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I am planning to rebuild by C in a few months from now. As far as I know it has not been rebuild in the past fifty some years. As I understand it the C has a 3" bore. Many of the rebuild kits that I have seen have an overbore for the C to 3.125". I have also seen rebuild kits for the super that have a bore of 3.25".
My questions are: 1) can I use the larger 3.25" in the C and are there any other considerations that I should take into account if I do so.
2) I know that many of the supers have a lager radiator and water pump. If I increase the bore do you think that I will have a problem with cooling?

Thank you for your help.

Aaron

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gene b

05-26-2002 15:21:07




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 Re: bore size in reply to Aaron, 05-26-2002 12:24:20  
better get the number off the block does your supplier have the complete listings for the sleeves as not suppliers can furnish you with a 3.25 sleeve for your block you will need one of your sleeves that are in there now to make sure you get the right ones as the dia where the sleeve goes thru the seal on the bottom is important the sleeve can be machined at the bottom to clear alsomight as well go with the hi-comp ones it would not be a bad time to put a water pump on but not neccessary your radiator has plenty of capacity as your not going to be under load for 10hrs a day in the hot sun

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BIG JOHN

05-26-2002 14:30:47




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 Re: bore size in reply to Aaron, 05-26-2002 12:24:20  
The 3.25 super C sleves and pistons will drop right in your C block. Depending on how hard you are going to work your tractor you might want to consider adding a water pump. If like most of us your C is just used for light work you probably won't need the water pump. If your C doesn't have a temp guage I would sure add one so that I could monitor the temp and for piece of mind.



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Andy Martin

05-27-2002 07:15:19




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 Re: Re: bore size in reply to BIG JOHN, 05-26-2002 14:30:47  
I agree with BIG JOHN.

Water pumps are for dirty engines and clogged radiators.

With a clean engine you'll have plenty of cooling capacity. Even if you want to work it hard in the heat. I brush hog with my old C with no water pump. After the grill gets covered in leaves and I'm working it hard it will boil over to let me know to clean the grill. No harm done.

A, B, C with no water pump will boil over when a little too hot, but not much water is lost, you don't have to stop working. When the water boils it absorbs a lot of heat making steam and that cools the engine so a little burp is good for old tractors and babies. For this reason you don't want a high pressure cap. It lets the engine get much hotter before burping.

A temperature gauge put in the radiator outlet (where they go in a C) reads the lowest temperature in the system so a conventional gauge will always read cool. The IH engineers were not stupid. That is the only reliable place to measure temperature on a thermo-syphon system. The top will vary from cool to boiling based on engine load. But if you are not feeding cool enough water to the engine it will overheat.

The three-color IH gauges made for the C will show a proper "RUN" range for the radiator outlet.

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Aaron

05-26-2002 19:43:09




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 Re: Re: bore size in reply to BIG JOHN, 05-26-2002 14:30:47  
Thanks for the help



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