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1943????????? What Went On

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BIG JOHN in KS

07-19-2002 13:24:06




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Just curious. I know that IHC was involved with the War effort and manfactured equipment for the military. The Data Book shows that tractors were made all during the war years also. Here is the question.

The Data Book shows that there was no official production of A's and only five B's made in 1943. But there were 21,000+ H's made but only 4,000+ M's. Does anyone know what was going on at IHC during 1943 that caused these strange numbers?????

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G-MAN

07-19-2002 15:55:03




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 Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to BIG JOHN in KS, 07-19-2002 13:24:06  
Sounds real similar to what JD did (in regards to the difference in "H" and "M" production). I don't believe they built any "G"s during 1943, because it was deemed smarter to build a larger quantity of smaller tractors than a smaller quantity of larger tractors. Nearly two "B"s could be built out of the same raw materials required to build one "G", so that's what they did. Lot's of farmers that wanted the bigger tractors made do with the smaller ones until after the war.

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Guy Fay

07-19-2002 14:56:07




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 Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to BIG JOHN in KS, 07-19-2002 13:24:06  
The government cut way back on material allocations for the farm equipment industry for the 1943 season- too far as it turned out. IH discontinued the small line of tractors at Chicago Tractor Works for that time period, since the materials were better used on larger tractors for food production, and Chicago Tractor Works was going big time making crawlers for the military and others. You had T-9s and T-6s on the same assembly lines as As and Bs, might have even had -14s and -18s on that line as well. The government bumped back the allocations in 1944.

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Hugh MacKay

07-19-2002 20:11:42




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 Re: Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to Guy Fay, 07-19-2002 14:56:07  
Just wondering also what effect unsold inventory would have had in all of this. I was born and brought up on a farm in NS, Canada. During 50s and 60s many of the new tractors sold there were 1 to 2 years off production line. ie. I have a Super A sold new in 55, it was built in 53. I also have a 130 sold new in 59, it was built in 57.

My dad purchased a new W4 in 1942 as did a number of his neighbours. I was born in 42 so I only suspect these were the first letter series tractors to arrive in area. These tractors came on rear steel and a set of rims. Most waited until after war to get tires.

The other item that probably affected whole tractor production scheme is here in Canada, Massey Harris and Cockshutt tractor plants were completely on war effort. I will stand corrected, but I believe they produced no tractors in 5 years. Cockshutt of course, had never built a tractor at that point. They had sold orange Olivers in Canada. They did have their new 30 on drawing boards complete with IPTO. Because of war that tractor never went into production until 1946.

IH and JD made huge in roads into Canada during this period. Other than in central Canada there are not a lot of pre war IH or JD antique tractors around. The Canadian companies never did regain their momentum after the war.

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Guy Fay

07-19-2002 20:48:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-19-2002 20:11:42  
I think by the middle of 1942 there was no unsold inventory, unless it was already rationed by the local board. The boards could do some screwy things, but there weren't a bunch of tractors rusting away.



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Denny Frisk

07-19-2002 14:34:44




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 Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to BIG JOHN in KS, 07-19-2002 13:24:06  
FARMALL Plant did make stuff for the war effort during WWII, I can't remember exactly what right now. The ratio of H to M production is probably correct, the H outsold the M by quite a margin during those early years. 5 to 1 is about right. Many considered the M WAY too big a tractor. Can't say what was going on in LVL.... Most times IH didn't even know!



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Ludwig

07-19-2002 17:42:46




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 Re: Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to Denny Frisk, 07-19-2002 14:34:44  
Cripes IH made 'bout everything including the M1 Garand rife!
Big guns too, the tank killers they hauled behind the Jeeps.
Then theres tanks, heavy trucks, parts for ships, bombs dropped from planes, plane parts, all sorts of stuff.



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Guy Fay

07-19-2002 20:49:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 1943????????? What Went On in reply to Ludwig, 07-19-2002 17:42:46  
IH didn't make M-1s until after the Korean War. They did make torpedos, no bombs. They made gun mounts, not guns.



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