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300U Hydraulics Mystery
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Bob Kirk

08-07-2002 14:55:00




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I have an IH 300 utility with power steering, Fast-Hitch and a dual hydraulic loader — and some hydraulic problems to go along with all this. I've only had this tractor about a year. Here are the symptoms:

1. From the beginning, the hydraulic pump would make a metal-on-metal type "buzzing" sound ever 5 or 10 seconds when the tractor was running -- kind of a "bees nest" sound that lasts only a second or so. Seemed to vary depending on whether the nose was pointed up or down hill. I thought it might be indicating low oil level since the loader cylinders leaked pretty good, so I just made sure to keep the hydraulic fluid topped off.

All systems, including the loader, worked OK for most of the first year — until just after the only day when I used the loader and back blade hard moving fill for a new building.

2. Shortly after that, every once in a while the loader would not go up. Sometimes it would, but sometimes nothing. This was intermittent until one day when it stopped moving at all. During all this there was no change in the hydraulic pump noise.

3. At about the same time the loader quit, I noticed that hydraulic fluid was leaking quite heavily out of the top of the "Safety and Flow Control Regulator Valve" mounted between the reservoir and the 3- point control valve. The oil is coming out where there is a snap ring holding in the flow control valve. When the tractor is running, oil flows out. When the tractor is shut off, it sounds like air spits out of the same place.

4. This is the current status. Power steering is working and so is the 3-point, which has no problem holding up a heavily loaded trailer tongue. But no lift at all from the loader, even with the bucket off. "Rythmic" hydraulic pump noise is the same.

For a long time, I thought this was the hydraulic pump giving up. But then I realized that the PS and hitch would probably not be working if that was the case. Made me think that maybe the pump is "starving" for oil because of crud in the system, and that maybe I should take the reservoir and valves apart and clean them out.

Do you have any thoughts on this? Is there any trick to disassembly/reassembly of the reservoir and valves (assuming I can get "O"-rings and gaskets from the dealer)? Should I take everything apart, or do these symptoms point to one particular thing? (I have a good Case/IH parts manual with "exploded" diagrams of the valves.)

Many, many thanks for your help.

Bob Kirk

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Ernie Bob

08-07-2002 22:46:05




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 Re: 300U Hydraulics Mystery - HELP! in reply to Bob Kirk, 08-07-2002 14:55:00  
Bob,
I had a very similar problem with my 300U that we had a Wagner loader on. The only diference is that the loader would still raise although slow and jerkily but the rear 2 point and power steering worked great. The loader was slugish to lift, sometimes it wouldn't until I shut off the tractor and started it again. It would work great after I raised the loader to the full up position with it jerking all the way up. Then shut the tractor off and engauge the down lever, start it up and it worked great for a while. This problem started after my nephew borrowed the tractor and used it quite hard for dirt moving. I put up with it for about 6 months doing all the fore mentioned things.
I finally pulled the resevoir lid off (quite heavy) and found that the filter was not only plugged but was colapsed. I cleaned and straightened it and put everything back together and had no more problems after that.
Hope this helps, it's a pain to clean the filter but it should work great after you do it. I was tempted to plumb in an external filter and I would of it it happened again, but I have since sold the tractor. Good Luck!
Ernie Bob

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dick

08-07-2002 21:16:03




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 Re: 300U Hydraulics Mystery - HELP! in reply to Bob Kirk, 08-07-2002 14:55:00  
It sounds to me as though you have a plug somewhere around the control valves for the loader (I assume the bucket doesn't rotate either?). With power steering, the pressure line should be external tubing with the loader's control valves mounted on the reservoir forward of the Fast Hitch control valve - if it's hooked up according to IH's original design. If not, your system isn't standard and you probably need to describe it further to get much help here.

Assuming the IH design, does the pump load up when you toggle either or both of the loader's control valves? If not, there's probably a plug in either the control line (smallest port joining to the loader control valves on the side of the reservoir - most likely) or in the return line from those control valves to the reservoir (not very likely).

As far as the oil leak goes, you need a new O-ring, but I don't think it has anything to do with the loader problems. The buzz may mean a short life-expectancy for your pump - hard to say.

Hope some of this is helpful. Repost if more input might be helpful.

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joe

08-07-2002 16:55:17




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 Re: 300U Hydraulics Mystery - HELP! in reply to Bob Kirk, 08-07-2002 14:55:00  
Some of our tractors make the same sound, but it usually disappears once they warm up. It sounds to me like you have a regulator valve problem (the thing that is spitting oil). I would rebuild it first, and then see where you are and go from there.
If you think you are getting crudded up, you can take the top of the reservoir off, and there is a screen on the bottom of it that you can clean off. But if you do that, lift the reservoir top STRAIGHT off so as to not damage the screen.
Maybe you could try hooking a remote cylinder up to your loader valve, and see if it works then. Maybe your valve is bad, I am not sure. They are not hard to rebuild, if it is bad.
Best of luck!

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Kilian

08-07-2002 20:07:19




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 Re: Re: 300U Hydraulics Mystery - HELP! in reply to joe, 08-07-2002 16:55:17  
Joe: What all is involved with rebuilding a control valve? Do you just replace the O-rings, or are there other parts that should be replaced.

I am also needing to rebuild the safety/flow control valve. Will a good cleaning and O-ring replacement be enough, or should I also order the service pack from Case/IH ($144, contains a gasket, seal, piston, and seat)?

Thanks for your help.



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big fred

08-07-2002 20:24:37




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 Re: Re: Re: 300U Hydraulics Mystery - HELP! in reply to Kilian, 08-07-2002 20:07:19  
I rebuilt mine a couple years back, and replaced everything the dealer could find for it in the way of springs and seals, which wasn't much, but cost me about $50. The biggest deal, I think, is to clean everything up good, as I found the "orifice screen" was not only blocked with crud, but the hole it sits in was full of crud also. It's also not a real big chore to remove the reservoir and clean the crud outa there, but the reservoir cover is heavy and awkward, and I wouldn't try it without a hoist of some kind. The screen hangs below the cover by a couple inches, so be careful of it. The reservoir gasket is pretty big, so instead of making one or using "blue snot", I paid the fifteen bucks at the dealer. Previous owner of mine used blue snot and it got everywhere inside the reservoir. GRRR! Good luck and let us know what you find. The exploded view in the parts manual is your best friend here.

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