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AGR538

08-20-2002 13:12:03




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Is there an additive that can be added to the water that would provide some bit of rust protection or is antifreeze enough?




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G-MAN

08-21-2002 16:12:26




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
You definitely need some sort of coolant conditioner if you're running straight water. Few things are more corrosive than hot water. Premixed coolants are available from JD and Caterpillar and they work extremely well and obviously are easier to use than mixing antifreeze and water. These premixes are ready-to-run and require no addition additives. The additive package in antifreeze will eventually "wear out", just as it does in oil. Your local IH dealer or over-the-road truck dealer should have a coolant test kit with strips you dip in to determine freeze point, PH and nitrate level. Cummins (Fleetgard) pushes these test kits pretty hard, and as Case-IH uses a lot of Cummins power, I'm thinking they should have the kits. This should be checked on at least a yearly basis and coolant conditioner added as required. Be careful to add the proper amount, as too much can be as bad as too little. Not only are these additives important for preventing electrolysis and cavitation, but they also help protect water pump seals and other coolant related components.

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Just one other thing

08-21-2002 13:29:30




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
If you are running a diesel with wet sleeves you DO NEED a water conditioner that will prevent electrolysis fron eating up the outside of the sleeves.



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chris

08-20-2002 20:49:17




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
Another thing all antifreeze isn't the same, you get what to pay for. A few years ago during college my pickups needed the antifreeze changed and I was short on cash so I found some Texaco antifreeze at Walmart/Western Auto and ran it for a while. Wasn't long I noticed the overflow jug looked like it was water out of a rusty bucket. Then I drained the blocks, rusty crap looked like it wasn't changed at all. I then started working for JD and they have premixed. Haven't used anything but that since, over five years now no complaints other than $4.50 a gallon. chris

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Diesel Don

08-20-2002 18:40:42




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
If you are adding new antifreeze to your tractor,there is premixed available.They use deionized/demineralized water for the mix.The water is as pure as it gets.I never priced the mix,but I can tell you that this water is probably more pure than what we use as boiler feed water at the mill I work at.This will guaranty no deposits in the water jacket and will minimize or eliminate corrosion.



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David A

08-20-2002 17:46:52




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
As I understand it, the rust inhibitor can wear out in older antifreeze. Based on that, if I use antifreeze beyond 2 years, I add an inexpensive can of rust inhibitor each year.



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ScottyNY

08-20-2002 15:28:18




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
Antifreeeze should have all the anti-corrosion additives you'll need. I have memories of our well when I was a kid being heavy on the lime and have seen the scale in the water jackets of the motors when I've torn them down--bad. Though our water where we are now is pretty good and doesn't have the lime, I still use distilled water for the cooling system. Probably not necessary, but it makes me feel better.

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Paul Shuler

08-20-2002 19:26:42




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 Re: Re: Water conditioner in reply to ScottyNY, 08-20-2002 15:28:18  
Hey Scotty, When I drained and flushed the old Super C a while back I think the origonal owner must have filled it with pond water. Got about two hand fulls of just pure old mud. Took the radiator off and just let the garden hose run through it on high for about 1/2 hour till it was good and clear. I think any water I put in it will be better than what the farmer put in them out in the field.



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RayP(MI)

08-21-2002 11:08:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Water conditioner in reply to Paul Shuler, 08-20-2002 19:26:42  
Considering what conditions we run our tractors in, it's no wonder the cooling systems look like the bottom of a barn-yard after a few years. Recently picked up a 1956 Farmall 200. When I drained the oil it came out in gobs. Pulled the oil pan, and there was an inch or more of sludge settled in it. Texture like oily dust, which I'm sure it was. Cleaned it up good, and fresh oil and filter, and it's on the way. Suprisingly, little buildup of sludge elsewhere in the engine! Cooling system was also a mess. Tried a commercial radiator flush, with little satisfaction. So, I tried a couple tablespoons of dish washer (dish washer - not hand washing detergent - CASCADE BRAND,) detergent per radiator load, and flushed and numerous times, the drained water started coming clean. Used fresh water each time, and ran it for a couple of hours with each flush, to warm it up and circulate it thouroughly. Using distilled water is not a bad idea - no minerals to clog up your radiator, and 50/50 mix of good antifreeze should keep your corrosion and rust down. Due to dirty conditions, you should probably flush and replace coolant regularly anyway.

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ScottyNY

08-21-2002 07:15:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Water conditioner in reply to Paul Shuler, 08-20-2002 19:26:42  
I know what you've got! When I opened up the engine on the BN I was happy to find the bottom side pretty clean, dirty oil but not sludged up. The top was a different story. I knew I was in for trouble when I pulled the radiator. The lower half of the lower hose was rust and crud. I pulled the sleeves and found the water jacket in the block had a good 1-1/2" of rusty mud with a nice green tint to the flaky parts! Probably a third of the volume of the cooling system was stuff that wouldn't flow.

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John (SC)

08-20-2002 15:15:18




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 Re: Water conditioner in reply to AGR538, 08-20-2002 13:12:03  
The anti freeze should be enough.Make sure your sysyetm is pretty clean to start with and it wont let you down.



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