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Adding live hydraulics to a early Super M

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08-20-2002 19:29:03

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Everyone,

I recently bought a pre-live hydraulic 1953 Super M. The previous owner had removed the lift-all belly pump because he was going to skid logs with the tractor but then though better of it. This tractor is going to do some work as well as be a show piece, and I have been thinking about trying to convert it to live hydraulics. I know that M&W and maybe others made kits to do this. Does anyone have a SM like this that can send me pictures of your hydraulics setup? I want to use the existing lift-all as a reservoir, and use an IH valve. (The old "oil derrick" valve that attaches to the filler neck on the lift-all reservoir.) Is this possible? I don't mind doing a M&W or other aftermarket setup, as long as it's "Correct" for what a farmer might have done to the Super M originally. I don't want to move the battery under the seat like the later SM's.

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Al Jones

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Bob M

08-21-2002 11:24:25

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Re: Adding live hydraulics to a early Super M in reply to Al, 08-20-2002 19:29:03

I believe a live pump from a Stage II Super M will bolt right up to a Stage I (early production, non-live hydraulic) Super M engine. No changing of the engine front cover, timing gears or distributor would be required. The only issue might be using the former belly pump assembly as the reservoir due to it's small capacity. Depending upon the volume of the remote cylinder(s) you plan to use, the belly reservoir may not hold enough oil to operate the system.

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Duner Wi

08-21-2002 07:52:22

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Re: Adding live hydraulics to a early Super M in reply to Al, 08-20-2002 19:29:03

Om my M with a live pump from a 400 I went with a 3/4" or 1 in. inlet feed. Took out the belly pump and made a cover out of iron plate.
For the oil fill and breather I made a dip stick attached to a washer , then a pipe coupler with a piece of tail pipe extended up towards the gas tank. Put a oil breather cap on top of tail pipe. You have to unscrew the coupler on upwards to add or check the oil but no more oil spilling out the top when the loader is in use. Is a hassle to mount the pump as 2 of the 4 holes don't line up. If you had the timing cover from a 400 might work. I made a clamping arrangement to hold the pump . I also have the verticle delco dist.
Valving is an IH addon on for double acting cylinders. Sorry no pictures. I have used it this way for 20 plus years.

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