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A Little off topic but still IH

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Bama Binder

09-17-2002 13:10:13




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I have a hankering for a big truck to use to haul tractors around with and just for general purpose. The obvious choice would be a 1 ton pick-up or the like.

What I have found is a 1952 IH R-185 or R-190... not sure which. Red Diamond engine (not sure which displacement) 5 speed with 2 speed rear axle. Ex fire truck so it has 7,600 original miles and appears to need nothing immediately.

It does have the fire apparatus still on it which I would remove and go with either a dump bed, stake bed, or flatbed. I should be able to go with a 12 to 14 foot bed which ever way and the thing has a 22,000 pound gross.

AND...guess what..its RED!

Am I out of my mind or does this make sense? Price $2200. Ya can't hardly buy anything for that price much less a really big truck with low miles and excellent maintenance. The only real problem is finding a place to park it...my toys keep getting bigger.

Anyway...fire away...I need someone to shoot me down or give me the magical words I need when I tell my wife what I am planning.

Thanks...BB

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Jon D

09-19-2002 16:29:38




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Hang on a sec... I'd leave that fire truck alone if I were you. Those things are hard to come by.



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RPM

09-19-2002 07:04:36




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Used to work at a IH dealer, this is a big truck, very heavy duty and very slow, conservatively rated, can carry 20,000 on single rear axle. Only drawback was not up to keeping up with Interstate traffic.



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BIG JOHN

09-18-2002 14:19:00




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Watched a RFD Clasic Tractor show and saw a School Bus that a guy had made into a custom tractor hauler to go to shows with. He started with a 40 pass. bus and cut the back 15' of the pass compartment off down to the floor and moved the back pannel forward and reattached it. He then made the front that was left into a small Motor Home and hauled his tractors on the back. Looked really good.



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Bob M

09-18-2002 05:26:21




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Bama - We had a couple of similar R-series trucks on the farm when I was growing up. They were slow (55 mph ABSOLUTE top speed!) and not too fuel efficient (4 - 5 mpg loaded). But they were completely reliable and actually kinda fun to drive. Worst thing about them was the original 6 volt electrics - they were constantly plagued with 2-speed shifting problems and dead batteries, especially when operating after dark. However when both were converted to 12 volt alternators, those problems went away. One of the pair (a '56) is STILL in operation as a yard goat at a neighbor's farm, and the frame/hoist from the other has been converted to dump box wagon. You just can't kill 'em!!

Incidentally I kinda went down the same path as you - was looking for a 3/4 or 1 ton PU and trailer to haul my Farmalls to a few local shows and pulls. I however stumbled into a deal on a larger truck already equipped with a beavertail equipment rack - for a fraction of the cost of a used pickup. It needs some cosmetic work but mechanically it's in excellent shape. Fortunately also I've got the CDL to operate it legally. Only downsides are it's not an IHC, and my wife won't allow it in the driveway!

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Bama Binder

09-18-2002 14:11:01




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 Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bob M, 09-18-2002 05:26:21  
Bob...your right...your truck is nothing much to look at but I bet it is extremely useful. I have heard nothing but good things about the IH R-190s and the Red Diamond engines other than the gas mileage. Thanks for the encouragement.

BB



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Don LC

09-17-2002 19:20:26




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Since you are starting from scratch , building the bed....I'd make it a "ROLL BACK", long enough to haul two M FARMALLS....one backed on and one pulled on.....



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350 Don

09-17-2002 17:49:32




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
The first semi I ever drove was an R190 with a red Diamond 450 cu in engine. It had a tag axle and we pulled a 35 or 40 ft trailer loaded to 73000 lbs gross weight. It was mighty slow by today's standards but it got up and down the road ok in the late '50's. I can tell you that is one tough truck. It will handle as many tractors as you can fit on a 40 or 45 ft flatbed trailer. The 501 cu in was also available in the semi tractor so that's another possibility for yours. What a lucky find you got. Good luck with it.

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Tom Graham

09-17-2002 16:47:38




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
You could put a fifth wheel on it and pull a gooseneck. I saw a guy with a B series IH single axle truck hauling his tractors this way. I have a '65 Loadstar 1600 with a tilt bed and winch that I use to haul my treasures around.



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joe

09-17-2002 16:46:44




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
I am not sure if you farm or not, but if you don't, you may well need to get a Class D (Chauffer's) License to drive the thing. If you farm, then you don't need one, at least in Iowa. The bed will cost you a bit, and those older trucks will haul about anything you want them to. A one-ton truck from the sixties or so (16,000 gvw), can easily have 4 or 5 ton piled on the back of it (I am talking about F-350 size). and yours is bigger, so I would imagine six or seven ton.

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Bama Binder

09-17-2002 19:14:15




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 Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to joe, 09-17-2002 16:46:44  
License??? Uh oh. Well...my trip to pick it up may be delayed while I check into the license issue. I feel comfortable I can handle the rig...just like a tractor..slow and easy.

But...here is where a little knowledge can get dangerous. My understanding (based on a conversation with the friendly DMV folks in Alabama)was that if the vehicle had hydraulic and not air brakes, a commercial ticket wasn't needed. After all this talk about gross vehicle weight, it seems I now remember something about a 15,000 GVWR being max. I know I would be above the limit in Alabama.

Not real sure about the other states I will ferry through (Arkansas, Mississippi). Can anyone help me out on the various requirements here? I know the truck won't be near the 15,000 limit on the scales, but the Mfg tag is a dead give-away.

I'll call DMV tomorrow and see what Alabama says.

Thanks for the "heads up".

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big fred

09-17-2002 20:20:29




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 Re: Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 19:14:15  
Can't speak for other states, but here in Washington the break is at 26,000 lb, above which a Commercial Drivers License is required. I have noticed that most of the weigh stations between here and San Diego (those that mention such things on the signs anyway) say that all trucks over 15,000 or sometimes 16,000 must stop.



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willie

09-17-2002 16:44:51




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Bama Binder
an IHC 180/190 ? first thought is restore it the way it sits, as a fire truck. it should have 20000 or 23000 cap rear axle, geared slow for brute strength & ignorance. expect to get 3 or 3 1/2 miles /gallon downhill with a tail wind. in tractor-trailer setup can easily handle 65000 gross weight . in straight truck setting with a flat deck you are looking at around 12000-15000 empty, can safely carry 20000 on the deck. drove similar equip in my early working days, but had the monstrous 345 cu in V-8.

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Bama Binder

09-17-2002 19:20:22




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 Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to willie, 09-17-2002 16:44:51  
It will be a fire truck for a while, but my ultimate goal is tractor hauler/general duty truck. I will sell off the fire apparatus at a very reasonable price to ensure collectors get the lions share and help preserve other machines for history.

Although fire fighting is a noble cause and we owe a great debt to those men and women, my passion is antique vehicles (and somehow they all end up being IH if you excuse the JD M I had for a while and the JD LX178 I still have but would gladly trade for a good Cub Cadet.

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Glenn(WV)

09-17-2002 15:03:01




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Ballpark idea:

Water weighs 8.3 lbs. per gallon, so multiply the capacity of the on-board water tank by 8.3 and then add some for the pumps, hoses, ladders, fire body, etc., and that'll give you an idea. Even if it only has a 500-gallon tank, you're looking at 4150 lbs. in water weight alone, so I'd say you're OK.

The only thing I'd be wary of is how much sitting it did ... if you start using it on a regular basis, any dried-out seals may start leaking like crazy.

I'd love to have such a truck, but I can't get one into the parking garage at work. :-(

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jal-SD

09-17-2002 15:01:25




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Sounds like it would work like a charm, to me. Ya probably gotta be careful & not "rod" it too hard, as the old fire trucks in our area are all geared w/really low speed rear ends. (Dad was on rural fire board for years & they always bought 'em for pullin' power, not speed.) I'd suggest ya put a tack in it, if it doesn't already have one & plan on taking lotsa time to get where ever you plan on going. It might have a governor, both Chev & GMC put them on trucks in that era. I'll bet the PTO that runs the pumps will run either a winch or a pump for a hoist to tilt the bed, or maybe both! My FIL did commercial trucking w/a '51 (180, I think) for lots of years-hauled both livestock & grain. It would haul 200 bu corn-thats about 6T. It would "swallow" a valve once in a while, until he eventually changed all the valves to a newer type. Sounds like a great find! (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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moonlite

09-17-2002 14:53:42




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
R 185 or R190 22,000 GVW ????? Would think much more.



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Steve - IN

09-17-2002 14:53:39




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Bama Binder,

Thing can carry a few tons of water, huh?

Magic words: Honey, if you think the drought was bad this summer, you ain't seen nothin' yet. I'm gonna get us a truck so we can haul water up from the river next summer. We'll keep the toilets flushing and the kids and us from dying of dehydration! Meantime, I may use it to do some haulin' here and there.

Heck, that's a better excuse than Y2K was for buyin' all sorts of generators, pumps, farming equipment and other toys.

good luck with the tall tales!

Steve

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Bama Binder - That's it!!

09-17-2002 15:01:58




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 Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Steve - IN, 09-17-2002 14:53:39  
Keeping the grass green!! Why didn't I think of that?? Imagine how much I will save on watering the grass.

Any grass that doesn't grow I can just park the truck on top of it and no one will notice!!



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Steve - IN

09-17-2002 15:37:20




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 Re: Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder - That's it!!, 09-17-2002 15:01:58  
Bama,

Glad the idea got you goin'.

We Hoosiers are always mighty proud to offer opinions and think up tall tales! Mostly about white guys playin' basketball (heck they made the movie "Hoosiers" about that) but we get enough practice during basketball season to last all year 'round.

Steve



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big fred

09-17-2002 14:26:13




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
I bought myself a 1950 Ford F-6 (16,000 GVW) a couple years ago for that purpose. It sat for quite a while, and lately I have been slowly getting it roadworthy again with a new master cylinder, wiring and fuel line. Mine is 27ft long overall, so I feel your pain about finding a place to park it. You got a picture you could post in the Classic Trucks gallery?



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RED SHED FRED

09-17-2002 14:24:35




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
maybe a nice roll-back with a winch.



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Corn Borer

09-17-2002 13:21:00




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 Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:10:13  
Sounds like a great plan, I would think most of your expense would be in having the frame strengthened/lengthened, and a bed made. But what a way to haul your tractor and implements. Build yourself a loading dock, if you don't have a hoist installed and forget about ramps to load and unload and you can go to the shows in style.



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Bama Binder

09-17-2002 13:50:22




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 Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Corn Borer, 09-17-2002 13:21:00  
Actually I wasn't thinking of making a car / tractor hauler, but that isn't a bad idea. The thing is desgined to carry 2 tons of water and I bet the pump, hoses, and apparatus body weighs another ton or two. So It wouls probably haul a 3 ton tractor OK.



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drr

09-18-2002 06:18:02




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 Re: Re: Re: A Little off topic but still IH in reply to Bama Binder, 09-17-2002 13:50:22  
I believe the rd 406 had a 1bbl carb and the rd450 had a 2bbl carb and the big 501 had a 4bbl carb.Very powerful pass everthing but a gas station.



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