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Bryce Andreasen

11-26-2002 08:10:25




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I can't understand why most early engines have glo plugs and later one don't. What exactly does a glo plug do?




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ronohio

11-29-2002 15:00:33




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 Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Bryce Andreasen, 11-26-2002 08:10:25  
Does anyone have an original operators manual on the diesel 560 that might comment on the use of ether with this tractor? Could you pass along the comments. Thanks Ron



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Hugh MacKay

11-29-2002 18:44:29




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 Re: Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to ronohio, 11-29-2002 15:00:33  
As with any other diesel equiped with glow plugs, manual says it is a no no. I have used it, found it not very effective. Circulating block heater best way to go on a 560 diesel. It is in my opinion best solution for all diesels, not so much as a starting aid but rather it is easier on your engine. The single biggest factor on engine wear is warming up a cold engine.



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Dennis Benson

11-26-2002 17:09:02




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 Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Bryce Andreasen, 11-26-2002 08:10:25  
Could the old Diesels have lower compression so that they could be hand cranked?



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Steven@nd

11-26-2002 19:55:51




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 Re: Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Dennis Benson, 11-26-2002 17:09:02  
I had a WD-9 once... took all of the injectors out except one (only one cylinder would have compression then). I managed to pull it over compression slowly (leaking past stuck rings) and then cranked as fast and hard as I could and when it came back to compression again it bounced back and lifted me right off the ground!! And I'm no wimp!

The IH start on gas diesel and JD and Cat with pony motors would be the only diesels you could start by hand, since you start the gas engine first.

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Bob M

11-26-2002 18:31:41




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 Re: Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Dennis Benson, 11-26-2002 17:09:02  
Nope - even the lowest compression early diesels ran a much higher compression ratio than the highest compression gas engines of today. They were simply beyond the capacity of a human to crank.

Rather the reason for lower compression on the early diesels was technology. The stresses of high compression diesel operation were simply beyond the limits of the materials, lubricants, etc. of the time.

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Steven@nd

11-26-2002 10:17:11




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 Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Bryce Andreasen, 11-26-2002 08:10:25  
Bob M covered most of the points, but one major part of the start on gas diesels and the ones with glow plugs is the lower compression ratio.

Diesel engines use the heat of compression to lite the fuel/air mix. The older diesels didn't have high enough compression ratios to lite the mix at cranking speeds or cold temperatures.

Newer diesels have higher compression ratios and this contributes to the better cold starting.

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Bob M

11-26-2002 10:31:41




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 Re: Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Steven@nd, 11-26-2002 10:17:11  
I'd forgotten about the lower compression ratios of the early diesels - you are right on Steven!

ALSO....the faster a cold diesel is cranked, the colder it will start unaided. Modern electric cranking systems will spin a cold motor much faster than the systems of 60+ years ago. This improves cold start capability too.



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Bob M

11-26-2002 09:37:21




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 Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Bryce Andreasen, 11-26-2002 08:10:25  
Bryce - Many early diesels are indirect injected. Here fuel is injected into a small pre-combustion chamber in the head - which in turn connects to the main combustion chamber. Glow plugs are often provided in the precombustion chamber to assist cold starting. The glow plugs get heated to red heat before the motor is cranked. Injected fuel is ignited as it passes the hot plugs so it's already beginning to burn as it enters the main chamber. This promotes a fast, relatively smoke-free start.

Other methods have been used to assist indirect-injected diesels: Intake manifold heater (some Case and Oliver engines). Pony motor - provides faster cranking speeds and pre-heats the diesel block and intake manifold (used by Cat and Deere). And of course the IHC "start on gas" diesel (starts as a low compression gas engine then switches to diesel after it warms a bit)

Most modern diesels however are direct injected i.e. they have no pre-combustion chamber. Direct injection's advantage is it's greater thermodynamic efficiency over an indirect injected diesel. However there is not enough space in a direct injected combustion chamber to fit a glow plug. Offsetting this, a direct injected diesel is inherently somewhat better at cold starting than an indirect diesel. However even a direct injected engine will not start below a certain temperature. Devices such as intake manifold heaters (to heat the incoming combustion air) or ether injection are employed to assist cold starting.

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Mike ISW

11-26-2002 09:07:56




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 Re: why do diesel engines have,,, in reply to Bryce Andreasen, 11-26-2002 08:10:25  
Diesel engines need alot of heat for combustion. Glow plugs preheat combustion chambers



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