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Ice in my transmission?????

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Andy in MN

01-13-2003 17:52:15




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Hello all,

This weekend, like every weekend, I created an odd job around the farm that I just couldn't do with out my 350. Went to start tractor (pushed in the cluch and pulled out the choke) when it was about 10 degrees out and it turned over slow. I stopped and pulled the TA lever because I have heard discussions that there are less moving parts when the TA is engaged. Then I pressed the start button and it fired right up. Unfortunatly, it did not crank enough for me to judge if engaging the TA was a noticalbe improvement.

Any who, I pushed the choke in, disengaged the TA, and checked to make sure that the tractor was still in neutral. I then went to let the clutch out and the tractor almost died so I pushed the cluch in and let the tractor warm up for 10 minutes. After 10 minutes I decided to let the cluch out again, but this time I gave it some gas to "get things moving" but ended up killing the engine. It was almost as if the entire transmission was frozen.

Annoyed, concerned, but not defeated I walked up to the house and asked the wife to bring out the space heater. I decided that I may have ice in my transmission and I was going to melt it and drain the water out (although I'm almost certain my heater was not large enough). I went back to the barn and got back in the saddle again to wait for the wife to come and decided to try it one more time. This time I did not push in the cluch, and as soon as my finger touched the ignition the tractor started and was ready to go.

I have two questions:
1) What could have caused this?
2) If it is ice in the transmission fluid, what is the best way to melt/remove it?

Thanks

AIM

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Arn

01-15-2003 08:49:21




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  
I live in MN and have a 300 Utility with the same problem. I changed my treny fluid in oct,and boy was it ugly. there are a couple things you can do, One is to add diesel oil to the trany about a gallon and drive the tractor around to get the trany nice and hot this will help with draing. two is to use a magnetic blockheater on the bottom of the trany to help warm it up. Like I said I changed my in oct, on a cold day and i Still have a little water in the trany but I got enough out that with heater on the trany and a block heater on the engine it fired up @ -2 and runs with no problem. but I will have to do a better flush this summer. Good luck!!

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Russ Smart

01-14-2003 16:29:34




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  
It sounds like you are in two gears at once, because the square corners are worn off the shifter. pull the shift rod out the top and make sure all the slides are lined up in the center. At least that is the way I remember doing it 35 years ago on our M, whenever I tried to shift to fast from 4'th to 5'th!



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Andy in MN

01-14-2003 05:12:51




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  
As always, thanks for the advice guys!!!!

One quick question?

How does it get stuck in two gears at once and how can I avoid it?

Thanks,

AIM



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Hugh MacKay

01-14-2003 18:05:01




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 Re: Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-14-2003 05:12:51  
Take your shift lever out and build end of it up so corners are square and that it fits snugly in shift rails. Best to get it a shade oversize and grind smooth. Trial and error grind until it shifts smooth and is still tight. Initially get it roughly the size of notch in one of the rails.



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KURT

01-14-2003 02:29:30




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  
Change the fluid, 6 gallons of hytran



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Hugh MacKay

01-14-2003 02:08:05




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  
I would have to side with 2 gears at once. If your in MN and it was froze enough to kill tractor in neutral you wouldn't be going for a few days. Would probably take 3 days in heated shop.



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Chuck

01-13-2003 18:55:04




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  

The simpelest way is to wait until next june then drain the fluid.If you need the tractor before then you will have to pull it into a heated shop to melt the ice,but it will take a couple of days in a heated shop to melt that big block of ice in the bottom of the differential housing that has the bull gears frozen to the housing.If the ice dosen't break loose when you pull it the rear wheels will slid all the way to the shop.IH used to make a rubber boot that you could put over the gear shift tower to stop rain water from running down the gear shift leaver and into the transmission.After you get it completly drained put some alcohol in with your new grease to absorb the water that still remains in the housing and next summer when its nice and warm drain it again.

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2 gears at once???

01-13-2003 18:50:59




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 Re: Ice in my transmission????? in reply to Andy in MN, 01-13-2003 17:52:15  
Sounds like the tranny got caught in 2 gears at once which locks the clutch shaft tighter than a banker's heart even with the shifter in neutral. Did you move the shifter before your final restart? Ice in the tranny generally locks up only the final drive. Can't lock up the clutch shaft unless the tranny is filled with water and frozen solid!



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