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IH300 U fast hitch float?

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Brett

02-15-2003 13:58:47




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I have a fast hitch on my 300 utility. I know the ih valve has a garter spring to lock it in raise or lower .I was wondering if I cap the hose for the down pressure and instal a vent on the cylinder turning the cylinder into a single acting cylinder.Would I then have float when locked in the down position




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dick

02-16-2003 10:17:25




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 Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Brett, 02-15-2003 13:58:47  
Gentlemen, I think this discussion has done more harm than good; see Dave's comment and request below. Yes, IH had several different setups for its Fast Hitch, and they all had different ways that you could make them float, etc., etc. But introducing many (or all) of them into a discussion of what is found on a 300 Utility isn't helpful, and greatly confuses people such as Brett and Dave who would just like a simple answer to their specific questions. I'm going to try to supply these answers below, and hope that I haven't greatly offended anyone with my observations above.

Dave, to make the hitch float, ASSUMING you have the standard Fast Hitch as described in the operator's manual, all you have to do is to pull the pin coupling the "rockshaft actuating bellcrank" to the left-side upper arm of the hitch. This is shown on page 23 of the operator's manual, in illustration 23. The original operator's manual is available from Binder Books; if you don't have one, I'd urge you to get one, it's a basic essential if you want to maintain your tractor properly and operate it safely. If you don't have a manual, the "rockshaft actuating bellcrank" is the piece where the moving end of the hydraulic cylinder is attached; the float pin is located about as far away as it can be from where the cylinder attaches to this piece, you should be able to locate it easily. Please feel free to email me if any of this isn't clear.

Brett, as some of the earlier posts have indicated, the STANDARD Fast Hitch arrangement on the 300 Utility REQUIRED using double-acting hydraulics. Getting the hitch to float is supposed to be done as described above for Dave. The double-acting hydraulics were required because a cross-check valve was included in the hitch system to prevent the hitch from bleeding down. Your tractor may or may not have this check valve at this point, and it may be bypassed. If you have the STANDARD system, this check valve is about 2"x5"x1" thick, is attached to the bottom of the hitch's control valve, and the hoses going to the hitch cylinder come out of it. If you don't have this check valve in your system, your hitch almost certainly bleeds down quickly.

If you REALLY want to, you can remove this check valve, or you could cap it off and hook the hoses to the ports on the top of the control valve. If you do this, all you have to do to use single-acting hydraulics and have a floating hitch without removing the hitch pin is to change the setting on the switch on the front of the control valve from "D" (double-acting) to "S" (single-acting); it is not necessary to remove a hose and vent the cylinder as you were thinking of doing. Please also note that it is NOT a good idea to lock the control handle as you also seem to be thinking of doing; this continually loads the hydraulic pump even when it isn't doing anything useful, will waste gas and probably overheat your hydraulic system. Personally, I think this is a bad idea and would strongly suggest you use the hitch as originally intended, but it's your tractor. Please feel free to email me if anything isn't clear.

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Red Rider

02-16-2003 20:57:31




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 Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to dick, 02-16-2003 10:17:25  
If you noticed Dick, my reply was to Hugh not Dave.



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dave

02-16-2003 14:37:57




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 Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to dick, 02-16-2003 10:17:25  
Dick thank you very much. I am glad to see that one step at a time common sense is still the best approach.What's that old saying that too many cooks spoil the stew. Again thanks Dick.dave



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Mark W.

02-15-2003 19:58:57




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 Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Brett, 02-15-2003 13:58:47  
Brett:

I don't know if this will help any, but here are some quotes from the 300 Utility operator's manual:

"Plows must be free to float up and down and to seek its [sic] own level as determined by the hitch setting." (p.22)

"When the control valve is set for the cylinder to supply one way (single action) and when any of the control handles are moved all the way back to provide the implement with float, the control handles will remain in the rearward position until manually returned to the neutral position." (p.21)

Mark W.

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RAW in IA

02-15-2003 15:55:52




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 Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Brett, 02-15-2003 13:58:47  
I believe on the 350 there is a pin in the bottom mounting bracket for the cylinder which could be put ina different hole to allow the hitch to float. This is not the cyllinder mount pin, but in the bracket it mounts on. Also, the lift arms had pins that could be removed to allow some float. The hitch had to float to let the plow and some other implements work right. i am not sure how muchdifference ther is on te 300 hitch.

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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2003 15:55:23




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 Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Brett, 02-15-2003 13:58:47  
On your controll valve there is a pin with a pointer that fits under a clip, with two positions under clip for pointer. One position is double acting which you obviously have it in now. The other position is for single action and the down position will give you float without changing anything else. Just the flip of a wrench and if my memory serves me correctly it takes a 5/8 wrench.



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RAW ionIA

02-15-2003 15:57:49




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 Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-15-2003 15:55:23  
That will not work on the hitch,as ther is a safety valve on the cylinder which willnot let it lower without pressure down to release it. A sagfety feature so the hitchwillnot drop without power.



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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2003 16:13:57




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 Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to RAW ionIA, 02-15-2003 15:57:49  
It worked on my Farmall 300 from the day it was new.



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RAW in IA

02-15-2003 18:22:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-15-2003 16:13:57  
It may work on the 300. I know on the 350 it wouldn't workthat way.



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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2003 18:54:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to RAW in IA, 02-15-2003 18:22:05  
I gather your 350 had the draft controlled hitch, My 560 did and it was as you say. I never plowed with my fast hitches as I used trailer plows. My 560 had a pin that you removed at bottom end of hitch lift cylinder to obtain float. The 300 did not have that pin, only way I know to obtain float was at valve. The 300-400 had a two cylinder system; cylinder at rear of tractor was lift and cylinder under brake pedals was depth controll only and not draft controll. Very early in production of 350-450 that all changed to the single cylinder at back and system had draft controll. I have heard some people say that a few of the 350-450 had same system as the 300-400. I personally have never seen one.

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Red Rider

02-15-2003 19:03:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-15-2003 18:54:52  
Hugh, If your 2 point would float by changing the hydratouch valve from double acting to single they some one remove the check valve block or it isn't working. I have both the 300 Utility and the Farmall 300 and they both have pins in the lift system to allow for empliment float. If you have a operator manuel or a parts book look it up.



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Hugh MacKay

02-16-2003 04:07:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Red Rider, 02-15-2003 19:03:31  
Red: I don't have the tractor or manuel anymore. As I said earlier tractor was bought new and I had it until mid 1980s when I sold the 300. The one item I remember was I could switch valve and hitch would float. It was something I really only ever did by mistake in switching wrong valve for getting float on a remote cylinder. So if there was a safety device my tractor never had it.

The fast hitch was something I never used for anything other than a drawbar and a fast hitch counter wieght I made up for use when doing loader work. I did have a 3 point adapter but that came after the 560 and I used it for sprayer and a corn planter. In the late 60s after I bought 656 I removed both those fast hitches and bought new swinging drawbars for 300 and 560. The kicker is I sold both those fast hitches for scrap less the cylinders. Now days people are looking for them

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bill b va

02-15-2003 15:19:12




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 Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Brett, 02-15-2003 13:58:47  

i have a 240 with fast hitch and when i want float i use a short piece of chain in place of the top link . works good for me



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Red Rider

02-15-2003 19:07:53




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 Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to bill b va, 02-15-2003 15:19:12  
Explain to me Bill b va how a chain from your top link allows your two point arms to float. With two point equipment you don't need a top link.



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Heath

02-15-2003 19:45:57




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 Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Red Rider, 02-15-2003 19:07:53  
I have a 300U fast hitch in the shop right now. This is the one with the verticle traction control handle on the left side. You pull it up and down and set it in different notches for more traction. Anyway this style fast hitch has a 3/4" X 4" pin in the lower cast iron swivel cylinder mount that you can remove for float. The swivel/mount is about 3 inches wide and pivots on a 1 1/4" (I believe) pin. There is more than one type of fast hitch.

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Dave

02-16-2003 08:36:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH300 U fast hitch float? in reply to Heath, 02-15-2003 19:45:57  
I also have a 300 utility and when I first saw this post I thought wow this will help me in finding out if there is a float on my machine.I am now more confused than ever.Could one of you kind of put together in one easy message what might be the ways that I might have a float on my 300 and how to make it happen. thanks dave



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