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BEL@IN

03-29-2003 06:14:33




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It seems as if a lot of stuck engines are discussed on the forum. What is happening to cause this? Must be alot of tractors setting in fence rows with the exhaust not covered. What else should we know as I have never had a stuck engine in 60 years.. As usual thanks to all who would care to comment.




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Jim

03-31-2003 12:57:18




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
Aluminum pistons and steel sleeves cause an oxidation potential for engines sticking. It is like steel on steel rusting together.



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Bill Smith

03-30-2003 20:39:08




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
Probably the most common and number 1 reason an engine will freeze up, is an uncovered exhaust allowing rain water to get into the cylinders. Leaving spark plugs out will cause the same thing. Another reason is, a head gasket that deteriorates to a point where it will leak radiator coolant into the cylinders. Of coarse the engine would have to have coolant in it above the level of the head gasket for this to happen. Another reason may be that the coolant didn't have enough antifreeze in it and the coolant froze allowing the block/sleeves to bust because of the effects of ice. And as mentioned several times, condensation from air because of humidity and temperature change. Bottom line is that anything that allows the pistons, rings, and cylinder walls to get wet with water will allow for rust and the engine to become seized up.

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Shawn in Mn

03-29-2003 15:29:36




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
My F-20 sat in the woods for 35 years no exhuast cover and the radiator cap was left open. I'm now just getting the engine back together and its been alot of work. I dont think I would have took the project on but it was my grandfathers first new tractor he had ever bought.



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gm

03-29-2003 10:20:00




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
I would say it is the condensation from
temp changes. Perhaps if you live in a desert, it would not be a problem. I think it takes some 5 years to actually
happen. Probably takes a while for all of the oil slide or evaporate off the cylinders.

Its really not that much rust
in many cases, just enough. Like each
cylinder is stuck a little, so the amount
of pressure to break them all free is quite a bit. If the exhaust was left uncovered
you probably will have to tear the engine
to pieces.

-Greg

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LEE

03-29-2003 09:32:26




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SET SOMETHING OUTSIDE AND ARE THE LEAST BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENGINE ( GETTING STUCK ) I ALWAYS AFTER EITHER BUYING IT OR STORING IT FILLED THE CRANKCASE, I DO MEAN FILLED IT WITH DIESEL FUEL OR EVEN OLD DRAIN OIL, IT DOES MAKE A MESS BUT CAN KEEP OUT AIR WHICH IS THE CATAYLIS FOR RUST ANYWAY



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rustyfarmall

03-29-2003 08:49:10




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
In the case of my I-4, it had been abandoned with the spark plugs removed, the exhaust had been covered, but with the spark plug holes wide open to the elements, everything that could get in there did. The engine is now apart and I am assesing the damage. It will be a lot of work and some expense, but how cool will it be to fire up an I-4 that was left for dead at least 20 years ago?



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shaggy

03-29-2003 08:45:47




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
Sometime for a few people it is just to much work to cover the exhaust and check it once in a while. But that is my thought on the subject.



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Jeff_MI

03-29-2003 08:40:26




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
I bought a SMTA and BN from the same guy, both with stuck engines. He used the BN, then set it out in the woods to rot when he replaced it with the SMTA. He did the same with the SMTA when he bought a newer, green tractor. The SMTA engine pistons came free, and the head needed replacement. The BN head was okay, but the engine is currently being worked over by a machinist (rebore, regrind, etc.). The block was very rusty, but it's almost ready to be put back to work/show.

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Kelly C

03-29-2003 07:40:20




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
One reason we talk so much about it. Alot of guys on here are buying fixer uppers to get running again. You get a lot of stuck motors on the bargin machines.
There is nothing satisfying (well may be there is)
Than hearing a old Farmall that some one left for dead. Roar back to life.



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Dan in Ore

03-29-2003 07:29:54




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
Another point is, even if the exhaust is covered and moisture can't get in, you need to be concerned about condensation. This is especially true in areas where there are large temperature changes.

That is one reason that you turn the engine over once in a while even if you don't start it.

Dan



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Chuck ore.

03-29-2003 09:22:42




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 Re: Re: Stuck engines in reply to Dan in Ore, 03-29-2003 07:29:54  
spoken like a true Oregonian I had an old 10/20 slightly stick in my shop over the winter condensation can get to you. Gas tanks can make lots of water too.



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REA

03-29-2003 06:33:58




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 Re: Stuck engines in reply to BEL@IN, 03-29-2003 06:14:33  
Hi Bel, I believe it is because they don't have barn space for them, and the little exaust flap that goes over them doesn't always keep out the rain, snow, sleet. I have noticed on mine that it may not always fit down properly when the engine is shut off. Bob



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kjm

03-29-2003 09:34:18




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 Re: Re: Stuck engines in reply to REA, 03-29-2003 06:33:58  
It`s not just the rain,I have been trying to unfreeze a 302 Chevy boat moter all winter and it has always been inside.



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grease monkey

03-29-2003 10:25:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Stuck engines in reply to kjm, 03-29-2003 09:34:18  
I have heard, but not tested, that equal amounts of WD40 and diesel fuel poured into the spark plug ports will help free a stuck engine. It is supposed to be able to seep past the rings and get lubrication deeper than weighted oils can. I have not had a stuck engine in awhile to try it so if there are others who have solutions or have tried this, let us know



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REA

03-29-2003 16:51:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Stuck engines in reply to grease monkey, 03-29-2003 10:25:33  
Hi KJM, In machine tools we use saversol, which is like a cheap keorsene. Though it works no things like gumed up old oil and grease mostly. It will also work on pistons too. Bob



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