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Starting an 806 diesel

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Brandon

04-11-2003 20:47:15




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I just purchased a International 806 diesel that dosnt have glow plugs it has a bare bracket that a guy told me was for a ether injection canister. Is there anywhere where a guy can get this canister and rebuild the system like it is supposed to be so it will start easier????? And one more question It has 2 6 volt batteries hooked in a series is this better than 2 12 volt batteries hooked in parrelel????? Thank you

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Hugh MacKay

04-12-2003 15:35:44




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 Re: starting an 806 diesel in reply to Brandon, 04-11-2003 20:47:15  
It really doesn't matter whether you go with 2 - 6 in series or 2 - 12 paralell. I've owned 7 diesels in my time; 3 were 6s and 4 were 12s. If they are not cared for and one battery fails the other is in trouble damn quick. In my opinion battery cables are the important item. On 6 cylinder diesels 1 gauge wire and soldered on ends. There have been many good batteries thrown in the scrap heap when in fact cables were the problem. I once put new cables end to end on a 100 hp Deere with 6 year old batteries, at Christmas. It started unassisted that winter in temps down to -25C. The batteries lasted 2 more years 2-12s in that one. When I say unassisted I mean no booster cables or block heater, I did use ether. That Deere was a bit lazy on cranking before cold weather hit in fall.

If you are using ether in April you have something wrong. 806 are good starters. Any diesel has to be cranking good to start. If it does that it has to be pump, injectors or rings. I supose out on timing advance, that is a rareity on diesels

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Michael Soldan

04-12-2003 13:57:29




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 Re: starting an 806 diesel in reply to Brandon, 04-11-2003 20:47:15  
Brandon, my 584 has a bracket with ether can but it ran out years ago and the tractor starts fine without ether even when it is -27. Your case I-H dealer will have everything you need to set it up. I have another diesel and I just give 'er a whiff of ether through the air breather as I kick it over. Two sixes in a series is a formidable battery supply. Good luck from Mike in Exeter Ontario



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K.B.

04-12-2003 12:22:31




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 Re: starting an 806 diesel in reply to Brandon, 04-11-2003 20:47:15  
Mabey I am not understanding your post, but it almost sounds like all you need is a small can of ether, which would fit within the bracket you are talking about. Go find another IH diesel tractor to look at, so you can see how the system is set up and what you need. You should be able to get parts at your local Case-IH dealership. An 806 shouldn't need ether unless it is very cold. I would reccomend you get a tank heater or a block heater. 361 and 407 diesels never had glow plugs and never needed them. Two six volt batteries in series will give 12 volts, will give you more reserve power, and will give the cold cranking amps listed on one battery (example- if both batteries are rated at 500 CCA, they will put 500 CCA to the starter). Two 12 volt batteries in parallel will give 12 volts, less reserve power, but will give twice the cold cranking amps listed on one battery (example- if both batteries are rated at 500 CCA, they will put 1000 CCA to the starter). It all depends on the tractor and how you use it. If you start it, stop it, start it, stop it all day long, never really giving the batteries time to charge, then go with the six volts for the extra reserve power. I would reccomend you go with six volt batteries with lots of cold cranking amps, because it sounds like you need the reserve power since your 806 is hard-starting.

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cole in mo.

04-12-2003 00:22:54




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 Re: starting an 806 diesel in reply to Brandon, 04-11-2003 20:47:15  
Brandon, you can probly get the parts to put the ether injection on, mine didn't have it, I just removed a plug in the air intake and gave it a small taste of ether as I turned it over, always started easy, however go easy on the stuff, binders don't take kindly to heavy doses of it. on the batterys, 2 6 volts will give you more cranking power for a short period than 2 twelves will, but both 6s have to be good or else the weak one will cripple the good one. good luck on the 806, you have a great machine there.

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Gary-Miss

04-11-2003 20:58:11




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 Re: starting an 806 diesel in reply to Brandon, 04-11-2003 20:47:15  
Two six volt in series equals 12 volt, BUT, if one goes bad, it doesn't pull the other down, John Deere has some of each. You really have to watch them. You can get away with it either way as long as you know what you're doing.



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