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Bryce Andreasen

05-18-2003 19:55:31

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I have my H, and my friend has a super H with live hydralics, with the engine pump. Did all super H's have live hydralics or is it an add on? also, did all have an eight bolt belt pully. mine has a four.

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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2003 03:26:53

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Re: super and non super series in reply to Bryce Andreasen (Magnum), 05-18-2003 19:55:31

Bryce: I know you can put a live pump on an H as far back as 51. Many years ago we looked at doing this, and it was possible. We opted for buying a 300 instead. Many of those features we assume were Super H features actually can be found on H tractors after 1950. My dad's 51 H had disk brakes, Super type front wheels. I also have wondered if that 51 H may also have had the C-164 engine. We never had that engine apart and really never saw much difference between that H and the C-169 in the 300. Never gave it much thought at the time, but seeing some of the discussion on here in past couple of years. Sounds as though there is significant difference between H and SH or 300. The factory hydraulics though were suposedly late 53 and 54.

I also am a bit curious about this possible difference in 8 bolt and 4 bolt belly pumps. It has been at least 40 years since I have had anything to do with a Farmall with a belly pump. Were there two different belly pumps. My dad removed his front end loader from H and mounted it on new 300 for the live hydraulics. That 300 and indeed our later 560 never would lift on loader like the old H with the belly pump would. A couple months back there was discussion on here as to whether H with belly punp would lift a 4 row corn planter. At the time I said there must be something wrong with their belly pump. May be I was wrong if there were two different belly pumps

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rustyfarmall

05-19-2003 05:00:19

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Re: Re: super and non super series in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2003 03:26:53

Hugh, you made mention of the fact that an H belly pump would lift a 4 row corn planter, I can attest to the fact that it will! Several years ago when I started farming, I had to borrow my fathers H to pull my J.D. 494A planter, this planter was equipped with all the attachments, fertilizer, insecticide, etc. The H was not real fast pulling it across the field, but had no problem at all lifting it up at the end of the row!

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Dick Davis

05-19-2003 03:55:40

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Re: Re: super and non super series in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2003 03:26:53

Hugh, seems to me I've read that there was a factory modification to the belly pump to increase the pressure. Can't remember the pressure numbers, but it seems they were a significant increase. And it may be that the modified pumps were marked some how. Such a modified pump would explain the power of an H versae a 300. my nickel.

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Dr.Evil

05-19-2003 09:37:15

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Re: Re: Re: super and non super series in reply to Dick Davis, 05-19-2003 03:55:40

I have an IH printed reprint of the Liftall service manual from about the late 40's. The early Liftalls were rated about 500 PSI and the later ones were rated 850 PSI and had a number 8 written on the side of them. I think the difference was the clearance in the end plates on the pumps. The live hyd. pumps on SH's, 300/350's should make 1200 psi if they're in decent shape.

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