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Brian.

05-30-2003 21:00:10




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I would like to run some good lights on my Super A which has the original 6 volt. One idea to run a separate 12 battery and just charge it after each use. I was also wondering though, could the generator be rewired to put out 12 volts ? I really don't want to butcher the look by puting a alternator on. I of coarse will keep the original lights, so I can go back later if needed.

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Brian.

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Hugh MacKay

05-31-2003 20:04:17




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 Re: generator question in reply to Brian., 05-30-2003 21:00:10  
Brian: One option you might consider is in fact an alternator. A 6 volt alternator, you absolutly change nothing but generator and regulator for a 6 volt alternator with internal regulator, and switch to negative ground. I have my SA that way and if I want it to look original, in 10 minutes I can remove the alternator and mounting bracket I had made, put the generator bracket back, install the generator and regulator and polerize and I am away. I have had a set of 6-6volt sealed beams on there that will be the envy of any 12 volt setup.

The beauty of this is you change nothing on tractor except pos to neg ground. On my tractor that was ten years ago and I am still on the same battery. My tractor starts better, runs better, plugs points and condencers last longer,etc. I have never had the generator back on tractor. When my tractor had a generator, it seemed like every time I turned around I was changing points, condencer, regulator, distributor cap, rotor, plugs,etc. you name it. It was non stop, fix this , fix that. Today I have a 6 volt SA with original lights, coil, etc. With those items original no one ever notices the alternator. It is tucked in so it is just barely visable from front of tractor. I will chalange anyone in North America to find a better working Farmall Super A than mine, there may be better looking Super A's, but we all know looks is only skin deep.

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Brian

05-31-2003 06:58:20




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 Re: generator question in reply to Brian., 05-30-2003 21:00:10  
Thanks all for your responses !
There are a bunch of good options here and good information. One thing that makes it easier and I should have mentioned was that I have a mag. system instead of the coil. I was planning on using 3 lights where the original lights reside. I'm not sure what lights I have ( sealed beam vs. bulbs ) but will investigate that next. If I could get some decent light levels out of it using 6 volt halogen that would be a great way to go !

Thanks again guys.
Brian.

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gene b

05-31-2003 04:38:48




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 Re: generator question in reply to Brian., 05-30-2003 21:00:10  
Why dont you get some sealed beam 6v lites they run around 10? Make sure you have a good ground also. Do you have the 1133 bulbs in the lites you have?



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K.B.

05-30-2003 22:10:54




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 Re: generator question in reply to Brian., 05-30-2003 21:00:10  
You can get a 12 volt generator. Many tractors had 12 volt generators, such as the 460, 560, 660, 706, 806, and 656. You will have to do a few more things to convert to 12 volt- you'll need a 12-volt battery of course, a different voltage regulator, you'll need a resistor in the wire to the coil from the ignition switch so the coil only gets 6 volts, and probably a few other things that I am forgetting, but there are some great electrical experts on this board who will answer your questions.

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Steve - IN

05-30-2003 22:03:16




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 Re: generator question in reply to Brian., 05-30-2003 21:00:10  
Brian,
The generator on a 6V Farmall will produce something close to 12 volts unregulated.

The rub is that it only generates something around 20 amps. You'll need 3 to 4 amps for the coil, leaving about 16 or 17 amps left over for the three lights. The lights draw around 4 amps each, so at 6V nominal you have three ~25 watt lights (V*A=W). More than that, and you start discharging the battery. So the question becomes how many more lights do you want, how powerful are they, and how long do you want to run them.

Check the reserve capacity or RC rating on your battery. It should be somewhere around 70 to 80 minutes - meaning it can supply an extra 25 amps for that length of time. If you want two or more extra 55 watt halogen light; better go to an alternator. A few more 25 watt lamps might work for an 30 minutes to an hour without any real problem -- might have to externally charge your battery from time to time.

If your Super A has bulbs instead of sealed beams, maybe the best way to tackle the problem is with the 25 to 35 watt halogen bulbs you can get from classic car places (guys trying to drive 30's vintage 6 volt cars at 50mph at night have the same problem, or maybe worse). I think you'll find a 6V halogen 25 watt bulb produces 500 to 600 lumens versus the 250 to 300 lumens of the old incandescent bulb. If you have sealed beams, then it gets more complicated -- you'd have to buy a 12V halogen light and swap in a 6V halogen bulb. Either way, the halogens should give you a lot more light without drawing much, if any more current than stock lights -- plus you don't have to re-do the gen/alt/charging system.

The halogen trick seems to me to be the best compromise short of going to an alternator. Good luck with the project.

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Peabody

05-31-2003 19:41:04




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 Re: Re: generator question in reply to Steve - IN, 05-30-2003 22:03:16  
Steve, that discourse was incredible. You need to see if Kim will let you post something to this effect in the "Articles" section of the Board.



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Steve - IN

05-31-2003 22:01:12




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 Re: Re: Re: generator question in reply to Peabody, 05-31-2003 19:41:04  
Peabody,
Thanks for your praise. I don't feel worthy. My old Farmall H and Herr Ohm taught me the current draw limitations and I learned the halogen deal from an old, old buddy of mine who has spent the last (mumble, mumble) years restoring old cars while working for GM. He's got an absolutely beautiful Cord 812 which he restored from a wreck, and is working on another V12 Packard (his third one, I think). The "original" stuff is very important to these classic car guys -- but if they can't readily see it, they don't care (I know, doesn't make much sense to me either). By some strange logic, halogen bulbs are OK, as are gutted coils filled with modern counterparts and Plymouth door knobs instead of Cord door knobs -- because they're so close, nobody notices (who knows, but these guys get $200 to 300K for their toys -- a different league than us tractor guys). I was thinking of that world, and keying off of Brians desire not to use an alternator when I answered the question.

If I were going to work the tractor, then Hugh MacKay's alternator setup would probably be the best bet long term --even though a bit more expensive and more work in the short run. I think the 6V alts are even available for pos ground now and produce something around 40 amps, or twice the output of the generator. Only problem is they just don't look like generators and are obviously not the "right" look for any casual observer. You've got to respect that point of view as well --so, different strokes for different folks -- many ways to skin a cat -- your mileage might vary, and so on. The important thing is that Brian has been given some food for thought. After that, it's his tractor; so he can put pen to paper and figure out what he wants to do. What's more, all the ideas we all put forth can be easily searched in the archieves. Res ipse loquitur, which is Latin for what Texans mean by the phrase: 'nuff said; but I sincerely thank you for your kind comment.

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