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Restoring an H vs M

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Brian

10-30-1999 17:55:31




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I've enjoyed getting my 140 going so much that I am thinking about another. I like the style of the H and the M the best. A friend told me that Ms are often worked hard and worn out. Could this be because the tranny and drivetrains are the same? With less HP it would seem that the H would be more durable if it shares parts with the M.

Any other feedback on running or restoring a letter series Farmall would be welcome before I begin my next journey further into debt.

Brian.

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Jason M

01-16-2002 14:01:47




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
On my grandpa's farm he had both a '48 M and a '53 Super H. The bad thing about the M was that after the first time the rear end went out we have had to repair that rear end four times now. Three times was repaired by a neighbor and the fourth was by Case. So far the rear end is holding up but we are not using it to pull the disk or the plow. Inregards to the questioning of H or M I would own them both but try to put the H rear end next time as the M's are used more for heavier jobs.

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John M

11-04-1999 10:37:29




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
Brian, I bought a seemingly tired, non-running M that had been forgotten in the back of a Kentucky tobacco barn as my first old tractor project(!) In the year I've had it, I have had more fun with it and it now runs like a big dog (amazing what a little cleaning out of fuel lines will do for an old tractor...). It's pretty simple to work on as long as you have the right tools (BIG socket set) and like the others say, parts are easy to come by. If I had my way, I'd have 50 M's. If my wife had her way, I'd have 0 M's. I'm glad I have the M because around our horse farm (Belgians and paints)I have enough to worry about without also having to worry if my tractor is big enough to bush hog, disk or mow with. With the M, if it can 't do it, it probably ought not to be done.
Love my M
John

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Harold H

11-02-1999 17:48:06




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
Brian,

If you need the power and have room for the bigger tractor go with the M. If you don't need the power or don't have the room for it go with the H. They are both the same basic design and will give equal enjoyment, the choice is yours.

Harold H



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john d

10-31-1999 18:04:42




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
The H and M are similar in design, and differ in size mainly in terms of height and weight. The M is a few inches wider. Better measure the top of the steering wheel when looking to fit it in your garage. The muffler comes off pretty easily, the steering wheel is the next challenge.

I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that one model is more apt to have survived to old age in better shape than the other. The keys to condition are more apt to be abuse, neglect, and lack of maintenance, rather than how hard the tractor has worked. I've got a '49 M that was worked HARD until I got it about 10 years ago. In spite of being used about as hard as any I've ever seen, it was always shedded, given proper maintenance, and never abused by a careless operator. HOW a tractor was used (or mis-used) is often more important to condition than how hard it was pulled, how many hours it has, or how old it is.

You won't find a tractor more satisfying to work on or own than a Farmall H or M. Whichever one you get, it will very possibly cause you to want the other model as well!

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Ryan

10-31-1999 05:53:57




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
WE HAVE AN H AND PUT LITTLER SLEEVES IN IT TO GIVE IT A BIGGER BORE. THAT BOOST IT ABOUT 5 HORSEPOWER AND THAT THING PULLS ANYTHING THAT WE WANT IT TO. THE H PROBABLY IS EASIER TO FIND BECAUSE IT SOLD 100,000 MORE THAN THE M. IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE AS WORN OUT AS AN M NEITHER.



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The Red

10-31-1999 02:25:21




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
I really can't add much more to what has been said. Around my farm Ms are usually pretty worn out because they had a good 30 years of heavy farming. Hs didn't have enough power and a lot of them were delegated to lighter duty early in their life. My 1945 Indy H, for example, was basically retired from heavy farming in 1960. Since then it has pulled hoppers, wagons, and bush hogs and that is about it.

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Tom in Maine

10-30-1999 19:30:11




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
I have an H its a nice tractor but nothing like a M my Grandfather had M's... And my uncle and I do a little farming He now has 2 M's one which he just got his father had purchased brand new in 47... and in 47 the people in town wondered how anyone could ever use a tractor that big..tremendous difference in power... I tried digging potatoes this year with the H two row digger not enough power...that 47 M dug 29 years for my; grandfather about 90 acres of potatoes a year....

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Ludwig

11-01-1999 06:59:24




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 Re: Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Tom in Maine, 10-30-1999 19:30:11  
Tom, Where are you in Maine?
I grew up in Falmouth. Spent a lot of time in Caribou on my family's farm.



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Bob M

10-30-1999 18:15:44




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
Brian -

I restored a Super M a couple years ago, and finished a Super H this summer. Though they look identical, the H and the M share only about a half dozen parts: the steering wheel, seat, generator, voltage regulator, the electric box and the lights. Virtually EVERYTHING else is unique to the individual models. The tractors however are put together exactly alike - just the M parts are always bigger.

The drivetrain on an M is no less durable than on an H - it's been sized to accomodate the higher horsepower is gotta handle. The statement that an M is more likely to be worked hard and worn out is not necessarily true - some of the most worn-out tractors I looked at before I got mine were H's

For a restorer, each tractor has it's advantages: Everything on an H can be reached from floor level (you sometimes need a stool or stepladder to work on the top of an M) An H with the wheels set in takes up less space in the shop or garage. The H weighs about a ton less than an M - can be pulled on a trailer by most any size pickup.

On the other hand, if you're gonna use it to do real drawbar work, the M has half again the usable power of an H. The M has a delightfully booming exhaust note, and when parked in the middle of a row of H's at a tractor show, M's often elicit comments like: "Geez that's BIG..."

So the choice is yours - but either way you won't go wrong... Good luck!

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Brian

10-30-1999 19:44:15




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 Re: Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Bob M, 10-30-1999 18:15:44  
Thanks for all of your great input.

I read somewhere that the two were dimensionally similar. I guesse I read too much into that. I didn't realize that the M sat taller.

I used to have a JD 40 that I could sneak into my garage to work on with the muffler removed. My garage door is 78 inches tall. Does that limit me to an H? Will an H fit under the door?



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Bob M

10-31-1999 18:28:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 19:44:15  
After removing the muffler I can run my Super H thru the open garage door (watch your head though!). However I gotta disconnect the door opener and sneak the door up as far as it will go to get the Super M inside - door clears top of the steering wheel by only a fraction of an inch. It's a tight squeeze...



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Tractor Tim

11-01-1999 06:41:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Bob M, 10-31-1999 18:28:41  
I think your going to have to remove the steering wheel/rod from the post. I couldn't fit my H under the open garage door and I had about 80" to work with.



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Farmer Bob

10-31-1999 00:06:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 19:44:15  
Not with the muffler on it! In fact I have a welded manifold on my A due to not looking at the front end as I was backing into my car garage. Didn't hurt the muffler just craked the manifold.. (Good muffler). The M definately needs more height than the H. FB



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RED Blooded

10-30-1999 18:07:56




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 Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to Brian, 10-30-1999 17:55:31  
Sorry but they dont have the same tranny.Right off hand I would say go with a M,I have several.But if you plan on showing one go with the H.Smaller and less of a load to haul!



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Farmer Bob

10-30-1999 18:22:59




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 Re: Re: Restoring an H vs M in reply to RED Blooded, 10-30-1999 18:07:56  
Brian, In addition to Red Blooded's post, consider this: In my opinion, the HP difference between the H & M often caused H's to be worked a little harder if an M wasn't available. True with any tractor, owners tended not to baby them but work'em. I just finished restoration of my '48 M from the Pan up and 'am very satisfied with the finished product. With that behind me, an H shouldn't be that much of a challenge should I find one looking for a new home. (But first I have a '64 Cub that needs some TLC and just about every seal replaced). Good luck! FB

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