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Bill Gray

12-28-2004 15:21:56




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IH 606 w/ IH 2001 loader.
After haveing the problem of the loader not going up, I changed all fluids and filters...oil..hydro..ect..
when I put all new fluids in and fired it up I hit the aux hydro lift and the loader went up pretty good! thought I had it solved until I lowered it down and that was it. No more movement.
If any, very slight such as 1/16" but basically the same problem remains. any Ideas?

I am wondering about the aux hydo unit itself but I know very little about it. I was told it worked fine when I bought it but it has never worked properly.....

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Bill Gray

12-29-2004 19:51:34




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 15:21:56  
Really onto something here!
A fella at the tractor supply suggested spraying wd-40 on the connectors, cleanning them. It had some positive effects. it cycled 2 times all the way up then down, then nothing. I ran out of daylight, will try again tomorrow.....



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Quebec Red

12-29-2004 15:28:40




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 15:21:56  
Bought a new 4230 in 1995 with cab and a 2255 loader. My pump did not last 6 months. Was replaced free; however warranty only paid to change pump, not the time to access the unit nor to reinstall the loader and frame . the tractor was in the shop for 91 days in the first 13 months - a real lemon. CIH allowed 92.5% of purchase towards a 5220. Made the move and never looked back.



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Quebec Red

12-29-2004 15:31:08




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Quebec Red, 12-29-2004 15:28:40  
Posted under wrong heading . Goes with above thread.



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El Toro

12-29-2004 11:08:54




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 15:21:56  
Hi Bill, You do not want to use some kind of gauge, you'll probably need a gauge with a maxium
pressure of 2000 pounds. If you have to run a pressure hose from the pump to the gauge you need a high pressure hose. That pressure could seriously injure you or even even worse.

Set these levers as Novel and captaink
has suggested so you're not just bypassing the fluid back to the reservoir. You should work those control levers ten or twelve times to remove any air too. Then check your fluid level.
Hal

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captaink

12-29-2004 06:59:57




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 15:21:56  
I’m presuming that by auxiliary valve, you mean a hookup on the back of the tractor. Do you have more than one of them? If so, make sure that all of the levers (except the one you are trying to use) are centered. I know that on some models if the valves are not centered, they will take priority and starve the others. Just a thought…



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Aces

12-28-2004 16:31:20




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 15:21:56  
Bill I agree with EL you need to put a gauge on it to see if you have pressure. When you pull the hyd lever and nothing happens does the engine labor if not I would say you have no pressure if it does labor it could be your quick couplers. If a person mixes quick couplers like a ball to one bith a point that is asking for trouble, cause if flow or if the spring is not the same behind the valve which is the ball or point they will lock up and no oil will flow.

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El Toro

12-28-2004 16:19:37




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 15:21:56  
Hi Bill, Have you ever installed a pressure gauge
on this hydraulic system to see if you have pressure? There may be a problem with the pump
do to worn parts and too much clearance's.

A defective relief valve could let the pressure bypass too. Have you noticed any metal flakes in the filter when you replaced the oil?
Hal



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Bill Gray

12-28-2004 20:54:49




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to El Toro, 12-28-2004 16:19:37  
Thanks guys for the responses.
The motor does not labor at all when the aux hydro lever is pulled. (even when it would lift)

The pwr steering works gr8..the 3 pt lift works fine too, but the aux hydro works rarely

no shavings in the old hydro filter, fluid was brownish in color.

Now the aux lift did work some, there was never any noise, but after the first lift it will not do it again. I did get it to go all the way up one time and left it there over night. the next day I lowered it with the aux lever and it would not go back up.

The unit sits at the right hand side of the drivers seat, if there is no presure there would the problem lye in that unit?

I will try to put some kind of guage on it tomorrow.

Thanks again for your thought Cuz I am lost with this. It is my first tractor....Bill

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Novel Idea Guy

12-29-2004 05:05:11




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 Re: front end loader problems remain in reply to Bill Gray, 12-28-2004 20:54:49  
Don't put "some kind of valve" on it. Beg, borrow, or steal a hydraulic pressure testing valve with the proper end. Otherwise, you'll be taking a bath in high-pressure hydraulic fluid if the system happens to work when you pull the lever.

You should be able to FEEL the pressure in the hoses when you pull the lever.

Now, you keep saying "with the aux lever." Is there another way to operate the loader? Is there a control valve on the loader itself? (It will be OBVIOUS if there is) Some loaders have a control panel with one or two hydraulic valves to operate the lift and dump cylinders...

If there's a control valve on the loader, you need to tie the aux valve up or down, and operate the loader with the control valve on the loader. Otherwise, the fluid will just flow through the valve on the loader and right back into the tractor.

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