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Bud W

01-29-2005 09:32:04




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I have a single wire alternator on my Super C and love it. I have a WC Allis with a generator that only seems to charge well when the tractor is at full throttle. I believe I have read somewhere that alternators do a better job of charging at lower RPM? Is this true?

If so I'm going to make the conversion. The generator is not original. It is a 12 volt un
it off a 70's era car. Thanks




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Doug in OR

01-29-2005 16:56:21




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to Bud W, 01-29-2005 09:32:04  
Alternators will typically put out more current at a lower RPM than a generator. As others have said, this is why car manufacturers switched to them. Regardless of this, an alternator should still put out more current at a higher RPM than it would at a lower RPM, unless you had more belt slippage at the higher RPM for some strange reason.

As to your one-wire alternator: My observations as to how well they work seems to depends on who you talk to, or how the alternator was set up. Some one-wire alternators seem to work well - as well as a 3-wire. Some seem to have all kinds of problems. The one issue that seems to be common is that one-wire alternators need more RPM to start charging than a 3-wire would need under the same circumstances. I suspect this is what you are seeing on your WC.

As said by others here, try switching to a 3-wire. Odds are that it will work better for you than the one-wire alternator.

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Dave in CT

01-29-2005 16:17:01




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to Bud W, 01-29-2005 09:32:04  
This is a bit of a tangent to your question but I tell everyone I hear of having a single-wire alternator setup how much happier I was when I converted my single-wire to a three-wire. If your alternator is a Delco-Remy 10SI (a good bet as they're one of the most popular anternators ever made and they're commonly used in single-wire tractor setups) it's a snap to wire up those extra terminals:

Run a wire from the BAT terminal on the alternator to the #2 terminal on the alternator.

Run a wire from the + side of the kill switch (same side as the wire that runs to the + side of the coil) to the #1 terminal on the alternator.

To prevent a drain on the battery, wire a 1 amp, 50 volt diode (Radio Shack 1N4003 - banded end toward the alt) inline in the wire that runs to the #1 terminal on the alternator.

All these new wires can be 16 or 18 gauge.

You can use female spade connectors to connect the wires to the #1 and #2 terminals on the alt.

If you have a 10SI alt, you can loosten the four bolts that hold it in its current 'clock' position and rotate the back half of the shell, if you need to point the wires down to avoid hitting the hood.
Be careful not to pull the back half too far back as the brushes will pop out of their holders and you'll need to reinstall them.

I converted from a one to three-wire setup so my alternator would start charging immediately at low RPMs. Some tasks with my tractor wouldn't require higher RPMs and the alt would never kick in. With the diode, I don't need to disconnect the battery during down-time.

Hope this helps.

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P Backus

01-29-2005 12:33:28




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to Bud W, 01-29-2005 09:32:04  
If I'm not mistaken, any 70's era car would have had a alternator not a generator. Do you have an external regulator? Are you sure of what you have? It may already be an alternator, in which case the problem lies elsewhere. Make sure the brushes are good and not stuck
Paul



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Bud W

01-29-2005 13:22:52




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to P Backus, 01-29-2005 12:33:28  
Its a generator with external regulator and has been recently rebuilt. It could well be from the 50's for all I know. My Dad installed it at least 20 years ago and it was used at the time. I agree thst most if not all 70's cars had alternators ( my 58 Olds has a generator but my 63 Chrysler came equipped with an alternator ). As another person mentioned I think the issue is speed of rotation. Thanks

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NDS

01-29-2005 12:08:11




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to Bud W, 01-29-2005 09:32:04  
When altenators became standard equipment on cars and pickup higher charge rates at idle was the main advantage accordding to advertizing. More electrical equipment was being added to vehicles and generators sometimes would not keep battery up in city driving.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-29-2005 10:19:42




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to Bud W, 01-29-2005 09:32:04  
I get along pretty good putting on a jumper wire to ground the fields. This makes it full charge all the time, if you going to work all day you just unhook the wire.



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Bus Driver

01-29-2005 10:02:05




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 Re: Alternator/Generator in reply to Bud W, 01-29-2005 09:32:04  
The automobile engine operated at higher RPM than does the tractor. Changing the generator pulley to smaller one may help the charging at lower engine speeds. For belts 5/8 wide, a 2 1/2" pulley is about as small as one can go. For 1/2 wide belts, a 2 1/4 pulley is OK.



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