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Bama Binder

12-14-1999 12:18:28




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As fodder for the distinguished members of the board, I have a question. I know everyone has interests in tractors for a reason, mine is that I come from a long line of Farmall owners / operators.

What do you look for when adding to your collection? A model you used as a younger man (not implying anyone on this board is "old")? A particularly scarce model? A good deal? Anything RED? Does anyone do it to make money (I find it hard to believe)? I'm trying to understand my own desires to own these red machines.

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Farmall Newbie

12-15-1999 11:44:02




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
How I came to own a 51' Farmall M was really quite a story - but to shorten it up here is the long and the short of it.

I own 15 acres and one day I was trying to push buck brush away from the swamps edge, and my wife came down to where I was stuggling with my 445 JD with a 54" blade and said, "Honey do you want me to call dad and have him bring down Matilda"? Looking at her smiling I asked her what the hell a "Matilda", was. She just chuckled and walked away.

The next day I was back at the swamp again when I heard this rumbling coming from behind me..turning around I seen my father in law grining from ear to ear...sitting on this piece of machinery that dwarfed me. He said, "Boy what are you trying to do there", and I explained to him what it was that I was trying to do.

Next thing I knew I was seeing 20' tall swamp trees falling over like twigs..he had a 8' homemade blade on the front end and watching him raise and lower that blade and seeing what he could accomplish made me want the tractor.

That was almost 2 years ago..one day we went out to visit him, and he asked me if I wanted to buy "Matilda" for 1500.00 bucks. Its seems that my mother in law..said that he had bought one tractor to many and one of em had to go.

I purchased this tractor with the intention of just using it to plow the drive way and brush hog...and some light brush clearing and never intended to get into restoring it. One day the front wheels got jacked around and in the process of trying to straighten them out I snapped the steering column. Im not very mechanicaly incline..growing up on the streets of Chicago I knew how to "tear" things apart but putting something back together was another thing. So sitting there in my pole barn looking at "Matilda"..I vowed to myself that I would make her "new" again.

And that is how I came to be a "Farmall" owner.
Hence the name - Farmall Newbie

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The Red

12-15-1999 14:31:07




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 Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Farmall Newbie, 12-15-1999 11:44:02  
Great story! Hope the M restoration goes well.



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Dave

12-15-1999 11:21:56




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
There's something about the looks of those Farmalls that appealed to me as a little kid 50 years ago and still appeals to this same "kid" in 1999. There just wasn't anything as good looking or as powerful as my uncles 46 M. When I got a little older, he put me to work and I spent LOTS of hours on that M. I have a Super C (and some other colors) niow but the next one will be an M. You know how those John Deere guys go nuts at the sound of those two cylinders popping away? Well I love the sound of those four cylinder Farmall motors, especially when the governor opens up.

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Theman

12-15-1999 11:14:37




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
I grew up on a farm that was a veritble museum, although we didn't think of it as one at the time. Only a few are still there now. All of them were row-crops. I have my grandfather's tractor ('35 JD B)and have kept it the way he farmed with it. I also have his oldest brother's tractor ('23 Fordson). We had Deeres, Cases, and Molines. No Farmalls on the farm until I was away in college. My dad's uncle retired and sold us his 350LP with this fancy shift lever called Torque Amplifier on it. That thing was fun...and fast!

I traded a cutting of hay for a neighbor's '46 Farmall H and have been hooked. I bought a parts tractor for the H and ended up resurrecting it first. I now have a third H to fix up the first one with.

What I look for is a model that I've wanted for a while. I gravitate to the older, simpler machines. When I was 10 years old, we had the now famous '72 John Deere calendar on the wall of the kitchen. There was just something about that old D. Well, two months ago it became a reality. Now I'm not suggesting you wait 27 years to make a purchase but I think it should be more than a passing fancy.

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Phil Auten

12-15-1999 08:58:52




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
Me, I bought the first tractor because I needed something besides a riding lawnmower to mow my pasture with (that gets old quick and takes about 5 evenings to do 5 acres). Then I wanted a more powerful tractor, bought one that didn't run, fixed that, found out I needed more power and bought my '49 M. The first one is awaiting restoration ('39 A-C RC), the second one ('49 Farmall C) I traded for #5, a Farmall B, just cause I liked the B better than the C. In between came #4, the A-C B, and finally came #6, the Cub, just 'cause I wanted one. They will all be restored someday because I think they deserve it and because I like them that way. It really is a disease, and an expen$ive one!

Phil

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big fred

12-15-1999 09:10:02




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 Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Phil Auten, 12-15-1999 08:58:52  
It isn't really all that expensive. Consider other hobbies/activities like golf, skiing, dirt bikes, etc for comparison. Tractor rebuilding compares pretty fairly with them, and you end up with something to show for your "recreation".



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The Red

12-15-1999 09:08:56




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 Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Phil Auten, 12-15-1999 08:58:52  
When someone ribs me in the office about my restorations, I simply ask how much they spent in golf during the year. Shuts them up everytime.



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Bob M

12-15-1999 11:07:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to The Red, 12-15-1999 09:08:56  
You got that right!

When I'm asked about my restorations I ask how much they spent on SUV's, 4x4 PU's etc. over the same period. Figure the price of one Ford Explorer could buy/restore about a 12-pack of Farmall M's! (BTW my vehicle is a 16 year old minivan...)



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MrG:Socker Bob?

12-15-1999 11:43:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bob M, 12-15-1999 11:07:17  
;-)



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Dave in MN

12-15-1999 07:24:19




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
I was raised around red tractors all my life.
My favorate time was going to the local IH dealer.
Bought my first tractor when I was 12 years old.
It was a Farmall F-20. It has growen from there.
Farmall H's M's all the supers and etc.



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Tractor Tim

12-15-1999 07:10:28




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
I think Farmer Bob said it best. I bought a tractor to do a little work, mover dirt, plow sweetcorn/pumpkin patch, move snow, pull for hay rides. I bought an H cause Grandpa used to farm with'em (Red). I restored it so It'd look good doing the above listed. Felt great to put it into peices and back together again. As far as making money, A fella at an IH dealership, on the side, said he was/is earning $500 to tear down and reconditon (basically clean and paint) these farmalls. Said there's no shortage of folks willing to pay. I'd guess most here would feel he getting paid for all the fun stuff.

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JLE

12-15-1999 06:13:20




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
My fondest memory was when my Dad let me drive for the first time . We had large field on the north end of farm which he plowed around and around, he would set me in the seat and tie the steering wheel so that there was slite pressure on the furrow and he would get off and walk along beside,I was a proud kid sitting on that "15/30" . Next high lite was the new Farmall "M" 1940. And the memorys have been good ever since. IHC through the years now I have 300U and a few cadets.

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The Red

12-15-1999 06:20:00




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 Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to JLE, 12-15-1999 06:13:20  
I remember my first time driving Grandpa's H. I was 10 years old. He throttled it down to idle and I was cleared for takeoff!



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Jon with an H

12-15-1999 05:42:29




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
As a kid growing up there was only one tractor on our small farm, a 44' Farmall H, Dad used to let me ride standing up between him and the wheel while he pulled the disk, to this day I can hear that engine work. I am now my fathers neighbor and other tractors and my brothers and I have taken over the old H's job. But every time I would walk by the shed and see that old H resting comfortably on flat tires I would get a pang of nostalgia and want to hear that engine bark again. So now I am elbow deep in a restoration, I want to see dad's face when I pull her up on his lawn. Dad doesn't get out much these days, he knows I'm working on his tractor but he does not know a full restoration is going on.

I got a little long on that one, but that's why I love Farmalls.

Jon with an H, Dad's H

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The Red

12-15-1999 06:01:32




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 Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Jon with an H, 12-15-1999 05:42:29  
At least you have a family tractor to work on Jon. I get to watch Grandpa's tractor continue to be neglected on a neighbor's farm. It runs but barely.



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Jon with Dad's H

12-15-1999 06:42:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to The Red, 12-15-1999 06:01:32  
I am proud to be working on this tractor. When I got it into the work shop and was just kind of looking it over, giving a squirt of liquit wrench to broken and rusty bolts, I had to step back and say to it, " ...some how, I remember you as being much taller..."

I hope you get that tractor back. There is no dollar value on this one.

Jon



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MrG:Red...???

12-15-1999 07:11:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Jon with Dad's H, 12-15-1999 06:42:53  
Had a thought (OUCH! Hurt myself) ... The nieghbor obviously thinks he needs to keep an H around, you have two (three?). Does the neighbor hols Grampa's H in any sentimental way? Does he know (I sure he does) you'd like to have it? If he's not emotional attached to THAT tractor, why not offer to trade him up to a better H, in return you get Grampa's H? Just curious...:-)G



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The Red

12-15-1999 07:22:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to MrG:Red...???, 12-15-1999 07:11:28  
I have tried that. He and his brother were having a feud about something and he bought it out from under his brother's nose, from Grandpa, back in 1983. I think that is the main reason he hangs onto it. They still don't get along from what I here.



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MrG:So...

12-15-1999 07:27:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to The Red, 12-15-1999 07:22:06  
HE just keeps it there to chap his brother? That's sad...:-(



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The Red

12-15-1999 07:34:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to MrG:So..., 12-15-1999 07:27:50  
Gadget you hit it on the nose. All he has done to it is occasionally replace the battery, rebuilt the generator and stuck on new main tires in 1983.



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Bob M

12-15-1999 07:59:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to The Red, 12-15-1999 07:34:44  
Red - How about buying another beat-up but running H, then discreetly swapping it for your Grandpa's H some dark, rainy night? Not exactly legal, but I'll bet the old fart would never know the difference!



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The Red

12-15-1999 08:14:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bob M, 12-15-1999 07:59:56  
Nice idea Bob but it wouldn't fly.



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MrG:'Nother Q?

12-15-1999 07:51:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to The Red, 12-15-1999 07:34:44  
You wouldn't happen ta be the BROTHER, now..Would ya?...;-)



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The Red. Nope

12-15-1999 08:14:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to MrG:'Nother Q?, 12-15-1999 07:51:48  
Ernie farmed Grandpa's land from 1968-1989. I am not related to Ernie. He and his brother had what then was a fairly large operation.



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Corky

12-16-1999 07:52:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to The Red. Nope, 12-15-1999 08:14:04  
Do you think he might sell it to someone else who just happen to sell it back to you?



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Redfan

12-15-1999 04:02:27




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
Good question. I guess my reason for collecting only IHC tractors is part brand loyalty, and partly because I grew up driving them from a very early age. I'm a full time farmer and we are lucky to always have had very good Inter. Dealers close by, so there was never any reason to change brands. I would like to think I can keep on adding to the collection untill I get one of most of the models sold in Australia. I may have to live as long as Methuselah.Redfan. (feeling tired)

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Rod

12-14-1999 22:11:48




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
After growing up on a farm, I worked hard for 20 years in business. I was successful but not particularly happy. Then I bought 80 acres and 5 old tractors. I'm happy now. I needed land and tractors to re-live the fond memories of childhood.



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Chris

12-14-1999 22:02:33




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
I'm only 21, but I remember my dad every now and then firing up the old Cub to drag the driveway. He wouldn't let me start it, but I'd get to drive it (or supply extra weight for the drag!!) So, I made a point, recently, of fixing it up and learning about it inside and out. Plus, it doesn't hurt that my good friend is IH man and has a Super M I love driving around.



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Steve T

12-14-1999 19:49:06




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
The one nice things about old farmall's is that there is a lot of them still around, so spare parts are usally not a problem. many new parts are still available and dont cost an arm and a leg. Farmalls dont seem to fetch as much money as some of the other tractors (at this time anyway, but that could change), but check out rebuild kits for Farmalls compared to the other brands. I own 2 farmalls and enjoy them both. Steve T

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John

12-14-1999 18:29:34




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
How about to save a piece of history for future generations, my personal favorite "favourite for our non-American friends".



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Bill Brauch

12-14-1999 17:08:39




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
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I started out looking for an F20 because as a kid, I took one to VOAG and fixed it up, and used it on the farm I was working on. I then found a few more, and bought them. I have always liked the looks of the F12, and now have a few of them. I like the unstyled tractors best, but would love to get some of the newer ones. As a kid, I drove Ms, Hs, Cs, and Cubs. I probably cant afford to have one of each of them, but still would like one. I have never sold one, so making money is difficult. I recently got an H, but it is so shot, i doubt if it will ever run again. In my area, most everybody had farmalls, so that is what I like. I never cared for the green ones, (corn poppers I heard them called) but I have a ford, and love the 3 point hitch. I hope to get several old tractors running by next summer, as my town is having a parade to celebrate it's 300th anniversary, and since it is a farming town, I figure a bunch of antique tractors is appropriate.

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FM

12-14-1999 17:04:03




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
personally, I bought my two tractors(farmall A and an oliver 70) because tehy were my grandfathers and nobody else wanted it. nobody wants the farm, either, and I would like to pull that off. don't know if I can, though, cause im only 14. I personally am looking for another A. I want another A for 2 reasons: So I don't have to take away dads cultivating tractor
So I don't screw up my grandfathers tractor.

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TMAC

12-14-1999 15:48:29




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
The root of my affliction is 'I LIKE ENGINES'. I have always liked train locomotives. When I got involved with old flywheel engines it just naturally matured to include tractors. I just love taking old junk(brought home for nothing) and making it run again with me sitting in the seat, grinning ear-to-ear.



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RED Blooded

12-14-1999 14:33:13




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
Its a bad virus that most of us get when we are young.Dad puts you up on that massive machine and BAM youre hooked.I personalyy go for anything red as long as it is worth the asking price.Although Im starting to wonder about my I-4.Seemed like a good deal to me when I got it,but the sheetmetal parts are extremely hard to find.As far as my Ms and Super M and Super H,I kinda inhereted on M and the other well thats a whole nother story,but my two Supers i bought just fer the heck of it.I also have a 38 f-14 that was my great grandfathers.I got that put up for a later project.Ive got to get my fathers M fixed up first.He passed away in Sept.

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The Red

12-14-1999 14:01:03




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
Excellent question BB. I've had a little bit of everything. Right now its 3 Hs (grew up with them) but I try to get tractors that will fit my needs. When I semi-retire I will have to get more serious about real tractors for my needs.



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MrG:It's a GUY thing!

12-14-1999 13:53:33




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
AAARRGH, AAARRGH, AAARRGH!

No, really, I purchased a tractor (JD40 rowcrop) 'cuz I bought an acreage an needed a tractor and a friend had it for sale with a 3pt blade, bushhog, and tool bar. I sold it and bought an IH560 'cuz I needed a bigger tractor with more features (live PTO, dual hydraulics, etc.).

I bought the second one, IH350U 'cuz it had an FE loader, it was "cute", and the price was right.

I bought the JD240 L&G 'cuz the old MTD went kaput and MzG decided that its replacement was gonna be GREEN, or she wouldn't drive it (stubborn I guess).

I just committed to buying a JD317 L&G 'cuz it has hydraulics, and I want a little loader that I can manuever in the horse barn. (AND the price is right!)

Do I needed anything else, probably not. Will I come up with a reason for owning another...Yeah, probably will. :-)

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kschu

12-14-1999 13:08:46




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
I got into collecting after getting married and meeting my fater in law. He had 11 Farmall tractors. Most do not run and sit in a shed. I think they are very interesting. I bought a Super M to help with getting firewood on the farm. Next , I started collecting tools. I picked up some operators manuals, sales brochures, and parts manuals. Now I felt the need for another tractor, so I bought a F340 Diesel. Now I am trying to find implements for it. There is not much 2 point stuff around in descent condition. I have a few pieces though. Next, I would like to get a crawler of some sort...TD340, T-20, or TD-6. I am around my 30's and have the Farmall bug. I almost forgot, I also have a IH Cub Cadet 105. Those old lawn mowers are realy built good. Just a few of my thoughts. Everything that I have bought could be sold and money made, but then you would have to start all over.

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big fred

12-14-1999 12:43:09




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 Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Bama Binder, 12-14-1999 12:18:28  
I don't expect to make money off them (gotta sell them for that), and I'm not going to pay top dollar for one that is scarce (too tight for that), but the others all apply. First one, because it was red(Farmall B), second, to do a particular job(300 Utility), my next one I hope to be one I used as a kid (400 Diesel), and maybe another because I always wanted one (T-340).

Of course there may be others also, for other reasons.

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Farmer Bob

12-14-1999 17:20:13




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 Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to big fred, 12-14-1999 12:43:09  
There are a few of us, in fact, many of us that started out "procurring" tractors similar to what we grew up with as kids on the farm. At least tractors of that era when we were first put up on that monster and told to go cultivate or plow or something else. Most have more experience with the models we grew up with so we gravitate towards those. Others can't pass up a good deal no matter what color, size, condition, or attributes these tractor may have. Then there are probably the few, and I don't know any of them, who have tons of money and could afford tractors with gazillion hp, hydraulics at all four points of the compass, and tires that you can stand up in, but what do they buy? You guessed it, the rustiest hulk in the area with the stuck engine, the bent crank, the rotted tires, the missing sheet metal, the no hydraulics. Why? Because it's the challenge just like it is with 98% of us. Sprinkle in a little pride to see the fruits of your labors when that machine comes outa the shop lookin spiffy like it did when it's original owner drove it for the first time. There is some brand loyalty out there as well. I believe the main reason we do it is because its in our blood. The fever is hard to dispell with any rational reasoning. For me, the "next one" is just a dream and I don't forget dreams. FB

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Bob M

12-14-1999 19:31:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Collectability (sp?) of Farmalls in reply to Farmer Bob, 12-14-1999 17:20:13  
Right on Bob! I too got into red tractors cause that's what I grew up running. There's just something familiar about 'em that makes them seem "right". Then add the challenge and pride of bringing hulk found abandoned in a fence row back into working condition, and then using it for light chores or running it in the local parade.

Forget about collectability, return on investment, etc. - I just LIKE my Farmalls!

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