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F20/F30/M

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Bud W

06-28-2006 17:44:56




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I understand that the M replaced the F20 but what happened with the F30? I assume the F30 was a more powerful tractor and it seems weird that Farmall would just drop it?
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CNKS

06-28-2006 18:08:56




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 Re: F20/F30/M in reply to Bud W, 06-28-2006 17:44:56  
My book says the F30 had less power than the M. The letter series was a completely new line of tractors, and although there is an "official" scheme, such as the H replacing the F14, and the M replacing the F20, there is still confusion about what replaced what, due to the rather large differences in the HP of the "replacements" as compared to what they "replaced". The M was certainly larger than the F 20, and the H was considerably larger than the F14. These were more modern tractors, and the M eventually evolved into one of the most powerful row crop tractors by the time it became the 450. As to the F30, at the time it was produced, there was not as much demand for a large row crop as there was for the smaller ones. But, as for as logic goes, the M was a more logical replacement for the F 30 than it was the F 20, which was only slightly bigger than the H. The whole thing doesn't have to make sense, though.

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Ed Richardson

06-28-2006 19:53:32




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 Re: F20/F30/M in reply to CNKS, 06-28-2006 18:08:56  
Farmall M replaced the F30
Farmall H replaced the F20

I was in Chicago, many, many years ago
at International Harvester when the Farmall H, M, and A & B came out.

This was a trip I won by 4H work. Have 2 Farmall H restored, 43 and 51 and 2--F20
restored -37 and 39 and a 1938 Farmall A.



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Guy Fay

06-28-2006 19:50:04




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 Re: F20/F30/M in reply to CNKS, 06-28-2006 18:08:56  
The F-30 had several problems according to IH, mainly:

1. Low power to weight ratio- it was heavy for the HP, which lead to:

2. High cost- IH was putting a lot of iron into the horsepower range, tractors essentially are coseted out "by the pound". This led to:

3. Low sales. Sales were only about 1/5th of the F-20 (@30,000, compared to 154,398 for the F-20, and @147,000 for the F-12/14), which fed back into cost, of course.

The F-30 did have some things going for it- high crop clearence, strong drivetrain (helped somewhat by that low power)

The way to eliminate the high weight, low horsepower, was to go to an F-12 type chassis in the F-20 size, and stick a big motor in front of it. While the M did start out as the F-20 engine with the F-12 type chassis scaled up, the sales department sent it back several times for revision, mainly to get power up and weight down (in fact, the sales department sent the tractor back several times for less weight, more power).

So what you got was the M, which took the old F-20 and F-30 market, the H, which took the F-12/14 market plus some of the old F-20 market, and the A and B, which took IH into a whole new market, plus some of the low end F-12 market (the F-12 was actually a bit much tractor for the low end in the 1930s, and really, really got chased out of the low end by the Allis B. The F-12 was repositioned as a light 2 plow tractor by the horsepower increase with the change to the 14.)

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CNKS

06-28-2006 19:58:25




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 Re: F20/F30/M in reply to Guy Fay, 06-28-2006 19:50:04  
Thanks, I am bookmarking this thread to play back whenever someone asks.



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Don LC

06-28-2006 18:35:48




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 Re: F20/F30/M in reply to CNKS, 06-28-2006 18:08:56  
I always figured:

the A & B replaced the F-12

the C replaced the F-14....

the H replaced the F-20....

The M replaced the F-30....



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CNKS

06-28-2006 19:47:10




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 Re: F20/F30/M in reply to Don LC, 06-28-2006 18:35:48  
That is the traditional view, even in print in some books -- the info I gave came from Guy Fay -- approximately what he found in the IH archives is: The M replaced the F 20, H replaced the F 14, and the A and B were considered a new line of tractors, (that didn't replace anything, my words). Guy will correct me if I misinterpreted. For as I'm concerned the whole letter series lineup were a new line of tractors, as they shared nothing with the F series. Except the displacement of the F12/14 engines, all were 113's, I don't know if the A/B C113 is the same as the F12/14 C113, I have read that it wasn't, haven't seen an F12 up close in several decades. Your statement does make more sense, though. But, I hadn't heard the part about the C replacing the F 14. The F14 was a slightly revised version of the F12. The C showed up 9 years after F14 production ceased in early 1939. Thus the C was actually a replacement for the B.

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