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Bill Geer

12-09-2006 21:05:33

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I got some money up to buy a truck and trailer. I need to haul a farmall M. I'am thinking a 10 or 12 thousand pound trailer and a 1 ton truck. Will this work, be safe and be leagle? Do I need duals on the truck. Where in MI might I find good used equipment. Thank You Bill

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dej(JED)

12-12-2006 07:37:38

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

I haul an M with a 7000# trailer all the time. I pull it with a 4x4 GMC with a 327 v8 gasoline engine. I have no problem pulling it or stopping it.

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randy hall

12-10-2006 15:57:01

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

i 've hauled an m thousands of miles with a 7000# trailer and 3/4 ton pickup. as long as your brakes are good on the truck and the trailer you should be as sfe as if you had it on a 53' trailer behind a kenwoth. i just bought a 14000# trailer to haul two m's on.

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Don LC

12-10-2006 15:38:31

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Thats over kill to haul a Farmall M that weighs 5500#.....advice you will get is what you may want to haul in the future....only you know that....more trailer and truck than you need ,means wasted fuel....1 ton trucks and 14000# trailers get poor fuel mileage.....To anser your question....a 3/4 t0n truck and a 7000# traiter with weight equalizing hitch will do a good safe job..... Don

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meanmoline

12-10-2006 14:39:56

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

i pull a mm ub very compairable to a farmall m.
i have a 97 ford F-350, 7.3 power stroke, with a fifth wheel trialer all weight on i normally have 1500# in suitcases i still get twelve mpg.
now i like to still get around ice fishing hunting in the western states so a four door long box was kinda out of the question, duals out there are not the thing to have either. my one ton is a standard cab long box,no duals. i love it and only have 6,000 in it look around if you dont plan on hauling more than that m this is all you need.
mm

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Bill Geer

12-10-2006 12:24:43

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

What do you guys think abouy a ford f-350 dually with a 7.2? international diesel the speedo shows 148000. How far will that engine go? the injecters leak orings/seals I think.some rust. the tag has $ 2500.00 or offer. Bill

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Hugh MacKay

12-10-2006 12:56:31

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-10-2006 12:24:43

Bill: At the price of some of those truck trailer combos you got advice on, why you could go out and buy a new Freightliner or Navistar with air brakes for very little more money. I have a friend with new 550 Ford, 4x4, six speed diesel and dual wheel tandem axle 38' goose neck trailer. He can net 12 ton.

He could have bought a Freightliner, with air and air trailer for less money, grant you he wouldn't have had 4x4. I'll take the real truck with 20" tires any day. At least they are safe. Just remember you can buy old single axle highway tractors for around $10,000. and they still have more miles left in them than a new Dodge, Ford or Chevy. More economical miles too. My friends Power Stroke gets down to 10 mpg with 12 ton, you put 12 ton behind a full size truck with a cummins and it will hit 12 mpg.

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RustyFarmall

12-10-2006 13:10:57

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-10-2006 12:56:31

Hugh, I agree 100%, and I have considered doing just that, except I cannot license and insure a class 8 truck for the same money as a one ton, and that Freightliner would not be very handy just running errands. Also, the D.O.T. boys usually do not give my one ton and trailer a second glance, and a Freightliner would be sure to get their full attention. If it weren't for that, I would have a real truck in a heartbeat.

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Hugh MacKay

12-10-2006 14:40:54

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Re: ot hauling in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-10-2006 13:10:57

Rusty: I drove my friends Ford with 12 ton of hay, small square bales. Both DOT and your insurance company should try it. I'll bet they would be taking a closer look at some of these light duty units on the road.

I remember when living in Nova Scotia, sign at inspection station said all trucks over 3,200 kg (7,000#) must enter, yet they would give you hell for wasting their time if you didn't have 20" tires. (on the tractor anyhow) Not hard to get a pickup up to 7,000# just in the box. Since DOT can only look at a fraction of the trucks on the road, they chose to make light trucks part of the fraction they don't look at. It's a case of the big trucks generating larger fines for the jurisdiction. Safety goes right out the door when comes to $$$$$$$$$$$.

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RustyFarmall

12-10-2006 12:52:59

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-10-2006 12:24:43

Sounds to me like it could be a real money pit. Repair parts for any diesel engines are not cheap, and with the rust already visible, it will only get worse. I'd keep looking.

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jhill52

12-10-2006 10:08:25

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

In Michigan the most you cam haul is a 10,000 lb trailer without a CDL. A 10,000 GVW trailer will carry an M. You must have brakes on both axles and a breakaway brake setup. A 3/4 ton should haul it but check max CGVW on door pillar of truck. I tow up a 10.000 behind my F-250 heavily loaded all the time. Its safe but you have tro drive defensively. As to where find a good trailer you have to hunt around I got my trailer at USA Trailer Sales in Grayling. He has 5 places around MI. You can get a goood new one for under $3000 AND EVERYTHING WORKS.

Good Luck

Jerry

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Randy as in Randy-IA

12-10-2006 10:05:40

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Obvious benifits of a dually - Load capacity and stability . Drawbacks - One was mentioned , flats on a cold snowy night ( shouldn't happen more than once in a lifetime ) and the expense of new tires down the road . Should replace them as a matched set you know . And a increase of fuel consumtion . I'd say go for a heavy duty 3/4 ton reguardless of how many tires you choose to have out back . They just ride better . My 2 cents , Take care and good luck with what ever you decide on . ...Randy

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dave in MN

12-10-2006 09:01:49

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Check the weight/load ratings of the tires so that they match the load. Here in MN the DOT boys delight in nailing people with lower rated tires than they legally need.

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CNKS

12-10-2006 08:58:50

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Look at the GVW on the tag on the trailer (on used ones it may be unreadable). Then find out what the trailer itself weighs. Subtract the trailer weight from the GVW and that will tell you how much the trailer will legally carry. AND, just because a trailer has two 3500 lb axles doesn't mean it has a 7000 lb GVW, nor does having two 7000 lb axles mean it has a 14000 lb GVW. Although the axles may be rated that high, the frame may not be. Tandem axle trailers come in GVW's of about 5000 lbs, up. Remember that you have to figure the trailer weight in with the tractor weight, when figuring which vehicle will tow it. With heavy duty 3/4 tons, you need to worry about that much less than if you are using a half ton. You really don't need a one ton for an M.

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tommyw-5088

12-10-2006 08:46:29

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

get a dual rear wheel pickup if you have to buy one anyway ,a 14,000# deckover trailer will only haul about 9000# with the weight of the trailer figured in .get a tandem dual trailer too .not much more money to get set up right .get a manual trans on the truck and a big gas or a diesel .dont screw around wit any small gas engine junk . been there done that -

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Nat 2

12-10-2006 08:03:19

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

If you're going to do it, do it right the first time. I would recommend a 14000# GVW "deckover" style trailer so you can haul the M without having to pull one wheel off and turn it around. The width between the wheel wells on a typical low-deck trailer is only 82" or so, and you can't get an M that narrow without taking at least one wheel off and flipping it dish-in. Deckover style trailers can be up to 8'6" wide.

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old

12-10-2006 07:02:51

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Can be done with a heavy duty 1/2 ton chev and car hauling trailor but its not the best set up and is maxed out when doing so. Thats what I use but my truck isn't stock either. 3/4 ton and a good 5th wheels or goose neck works a lot better

Hobby farm

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Don L C

12-10-2006 15:15:11

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Re: ot hauling in reply to old, 12-10-2006 07:02:51

Old.....I cant find a car hauler that will haul my Farmall M with the wheels dished out for the shows ....my m weighs 5500# with one set of rear weights and 14.9x38" tires, makes it 88" wide ....light enough, but too wide for car haulers..... ..Don

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old

12-10-2006 16:36:34

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Don L C, 12-10-2006 15:15:11

The trailor I have has been modified so a person can put one or both tire on the rails if need be. Done it many times not the best as I said but it works and when thats all you have. Maybe one of these days I'll finish the trailor I started building a few years ago, it has 3 axles and a double 5 inch channel iron frome. I built it to haul my dozer but then I sold the dozer so I never got it done

Hobby farm

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RustyFarmall

12-10-2006 06:27:22

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

O.K., I'll throw in my 2 cents. A heavy 3/4 ton will get er done, but make sure it is a heavy duty 3/4 ton. There is such a thing as a light duty 3/4 ton. You don't want one of those. A 14,000# rated gooseneck trailer will not cost too much more than a 14,000# pull type trailer, and you will be much happier. Do not go less than 14,000# Also, do not rule out the 8100 gas motor available in the Chevy. It will do everything that the duramax diesel will do for about $4,000 to $5,000 less money up-front, lower maintanence costs, and lower per gallon fuel cost. Fuel mileage may not be as good when running just the truck, but will be about the same when pulling a loaded trailer. Mine will get about 10 to 11 mpg loaded, and on the interstate highways I can run with big boys.

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Don L C

12-10-2006 15:19:35

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Re: ot hauling in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-10-2006 06:27:22

Rusty

Why buy a 14000# trailer (a load in its self) when he wants to haul a Farmall M that weighs 5500# Don

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moseed

12-10-2006 05:58:21

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Bill, A 3/4 ton preferably diesel, with a tandem axle deck over trailer with beaver tail and ramps. no duallys truck or trailer. My son (19 at this writing) and I have been making once a year (occassionally more) pilgrimages from California into the great beyond (furthest trip, NEW YORK) for rusty projects for the last five years or so and so, besides meeting some of the best folks I have ever come across, have logged over 25,000 miles useing above said type rig. Very versatile. Ours is a bumper pull so I can put stuff in a lockable camper. The trailer has two 4,000 pound single wheel tandem axles. All you need is one inside flat on a dually in 10 degree snowy conditions to get you away from a dually. Duallys are good if your hauling the weight but don't do duallys if you don't really need them. Also, While I have a Chev Duramax and love it, the Ford and Dodge deisels now are just as good. I am talking about the latest models. Chev, Ford and Dodge diesel packages (2006 and newer)are all very high quality units. My thoughts, Good hunting.

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John M

12-10-2006 05:32:09

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

I used to haul my M with a Chevy Z71 and a 14000 car hauler.I had a weight distributing hitch and brakes on the trailer. It hauled it fine, but I wasnt completely satisfied.By myself it was fine, but with the wife, kids and other essentials, it got a little squirlly.Fortunately I only hauled short distances like that, even got stopped once because I forgot plug up my lights and the cop didnt say anything about me being overweight for the truck.I eventually bought a F350 dually.I dont worry about it anymore.Just wish I had a bigger trailer so I could haul two at one time now.

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Al L. in Wisc.

12-10-2006 04:40:49

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Bill, you will need to check MI regulations for being legal. Wisc. requires any trailer WITH load weighing 3,000 or more pounds must be licensed and have brakes. It is for your safety and others on the road as well. One accident could cost you way more than a "legal trailer" w/brakes/lights working/safety chains, etc. I don"t want to be making some state troopers day if I were to get stopped. My dad had this "98 F150 Lariat-w/towing pkg. and my H&H trailer-7,000 pound/brakes on two axles. What a great trailer-no ramps-electric hydraulic tilt bed. Sold it last spring for $74.95 less than what I paid for it and I used it a lot. H&H has web site, made in Bradeyville (spelling), Iowa.

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Hugh MacKay

12-10-2006 02:36:28

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Bill: While most will say the one ton dualy and 12,000 trailer is over kill, I think your wise. I've seen a lot of folks buy trailers for what they need to haul currently, and within 3 months an ocasion come along haul more. All of a sudden they find them selves overloaded.

I did this myself years ago, had a heavy 3/4 with 8,000# trailer, thought I didn't need to pull anything heavier than 130, skid loaders, and 300. Then one day I decided to move 560, not so funny. I moved 560 and 656 ocasionally with that trailer but it was never fun. Then along came a 1066 and a Deere Forestry Skidder. I bought a C-70 Chevy s/a tractor and 40' drop deck trailer. Because I was geared up to move equipment, I soon found myself with outside work, hauling machines for other folks. This developed to point I had to hire a driver. I still continued to use the 3/4 where it fitted in, but what evolved was a hauling business, that was making more money than some other things I did. We did more than a few 1,200 mile hauls, all this with trucking equipment, I never intended to go more than 50 miles from home with. You should have a winch, disabled tractors are big items. I found dead back hoes quite lucritive, surprise you how many folks have those and no trailer.

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NIndianaDan

12-10-2006 00:49:05

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

You should look up the weight of an M. If my memory is right. An M with one set of rear weights and fluid in the tires is 6000# and over the capacity of a trailer with 7000# gross.

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Cheap Charley

12-09-2006 21:39:17

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Bill, consider this a preliminary answer, and see what the more experienced say later. However, it seems that a 10-12,000 lb trailer may be overkill for an M. My JD A weighs in at about 4,000 and I expect an M is in that ballpark.

Just check the weight of the M, the weight of the trailer, the tow capacity of the truck, and the max allowed hitch weight. Do the math, and I suspect you may find that a single wheel 3/4 ton will do it.

Not that it was legal or wise, but I drug a 4000 lb 6 x 12 enclosed trailer for 3750 miles from southern Fla to northern Calif behind a 4 cylinder non-turbo Volvo wagon. I grossed out at 7,820 lbs with 114 HP. Slow but steady wins the race.

Cheap Charley

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Mike Chudomelka

12-09-2006 21:31:25

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Re: ot hauling in reply to Bill Geer, 12-09-2006 21:05:33

Sir: The M does not weigh very much so there is definately no need for a 1ton. I would suggest a 3/4 ton pick-up (has larger brakes than a 1/2 ton) and a 14,000lb gooseneck. This combination, especially when loaded gives a great weight distribution along with a smooth ride and great handling--is also very versitile. Check e-bay--sometimes there are very good deals to be had. hope this helps.

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